1 00:00:24,910 --> 00:00:19,070 [Music] 2 00:00:28,530 --> 00:00:24,920 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:35,380 --> 00:00:28,540 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:35,390 here's gene Steinberg on the power cast 5 00:00:39,030 --> 00:00:37,610 this week a little bit later in just a 6 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:39,040 few minutes we'll be welcoming back 7 00:00:43,990 --> 00:00:42,050 longtime Lua investigator Timothy Goode 8 00:00:47,290 --> 00:00:44,000 who first appear in the para cast 9 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:47,300 probably about six years ago so we're 10 00:00:50,530 --> 00:00:49,010 happy to have him back but first we 11 00:00:52,780 --> 00:00:50,540 wanted to talk about a couple of things 12 00:00:55,299 --> 00:00:52,790 Chris and I and first of course is the 13 00:00:56,140 --> 00:00:55,309 reaction to the appearance of David 14 00:00:59,469 --> 00:00:56,150 Rountree 15 00:01:03,759 --> 00:00:59,479 on the power cast Chris I've never seen 16 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:03,769 it so polarized it's pretty amazing 17 00:01:08,380 --> 00:01:06,530 uh you know we bring the best quality 18 00:01:11,289 --> 00:01:08,390 guests we possibly can on the show and 19 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:11,299 of course David I think ruffled a few 20 00:01:18,219 --> 00:01:14,930 feathers with his his very direct way of 21 00:01:21,100 --> 00:01:18,229 presenting himself in his work and me I 22 00:01:22,690 --> 00:01:21,110 think he may have also rapid ruffled the 23 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:22,700 feathers of some scientists so we have 24 00:01:27,099 --> 00:01:25,130 they listen to the show what do you 25 00:01:30,190 --> 00:01:27,109 think of the areas that concerned you if 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:30,200 anything about his presentation well I 27 00:01:35,919 --> 00:01:32,930 like the gene I I think I think it's 28 00:01:38,889 --> 00:01:35,929 kind of a refreshing approach away from 29 00:01:41,859 --> 00:01:38,899 you know in the realm of paranormal away 30 00:01:44,609 --> 00:01:41,869 from skulking around houses at night 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:44,619 looking for ghosts I I found his 32 00:01:50,020 --> 00:01:47,450 attitude about what he does 33 00:01:52,539 --> 00:01:50,030 it was quite refreshing however I do 34 00:01:55,139 --> 00:01:52,549 have some problems with I think some of 35 00:01:58,690 --> 00:01:55,149 his concepts I think his whole idea of 36 00:02:00,370 --> 00:01:58,700 this uh this whole wormhole idea I think 37 00:02:03,669 --> 00:02:00,380 needs to be fleshed out and explained a 38 00:02:06,639 --> 00:02:03,679 lot better I did not get it but he does 39 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:06,649 seem to know his his science it would 40 00:02:09,490 --> 00:02:07,609 have been nice to get more of a 41 00:02:12,430 --> 00:02:09,500 background more background information 42 00:02:14,170 --> 00:02:12,440 from him about his education etc but but 43 00:02:16,090 --> 00:02:14,180 I think all in all he represents kind of 44 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:16,100 a new wave of more of a high tech 45 00:02:22,059 --> 00:02:19,370 approach to haunted sites if you will in 46 00:02:24,850 --> 00:02:22,069 Portal area activity and I look forward 47 00:02:26,199 --> 00:02:24,860 to hearing about his progress I think 48 00:02:28,270 --> 00:02:26,209 people are always concerned about the 49 00:02:31,149 --> 00:02:28,280 basics there why he doesn't reveal 50 00:02:31,930 --> 00:02:31,159 anything about his education but there 51 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:31,940 are things you 52 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:34,610 can infer because of the fact that if 53 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:36,650 you look on facebook where he says his 54 00:02:42,490 --> 00:02:39,890 education is private he obviously went 55 00:02:44,650 --> 00:02:42,500 to school in Florida well he did let's 56 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:44,660 let the the Gators as a clue there's 57 00:02:49,660 --> 00:02:46,310 that should give some of you inquiring 58 00:02:52,390 --> 00:02:49,670 para casters a little will hint sounds 59 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:52,400 like he went to Florida okay so now of 60 00:02:57,370 --> 00:02:54,290 course if he's going anywhere it's in 61 00:03:00,100 --> 00:02:57,380 New Jersey what I don't see why he 62 00:03:02,650 --> 00:03:00,110 doesn't mention it though I mean people 63 00:03:04,950 --> 00:03:02,660 are so concerned about one's 64 00:03:08,650 --> 00:03:04,960 qualifications not that necessarily 65 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:08,660 makes you better able to evaluate this 66 00:03:15,790 --> 00:03:12,170 stuff but because of some instances 67 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:15,800 where people were kind of fooled led to 68 00:03:20,290 --> 00:03:17,330 believe somebody knew more than they 69 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:20,300 knew because of their education this is 70 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:23,210 an important reason why this comes up 71 00:03:28,950 --> 00:03:25,850 over and over again you know well you 72 00:03:31,290 --> 00:03:28,960 know we all have rationales for for 73 00:03:33,340 --> 00:03:31,300 stating certain things about ourselves 74 00:03:37,479 --> 00:03:33,350 some people like to keep it a little bit 75 00:03:40,900 --> 00:03:37,489 more quiet and in private that's his 76 00:03:42,940 --> 00:03:40,910 right I don't think that it serves his 77 00:03:46,030 --> 00:03:42,950 credibility as well as it would if he 78 00:03:48,190 --> 00:03:46,040 would divulge but you know publicly his 79 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:48,200 education the same with his his research 80 00:03:54,010 --> 00:03:52,370 buddy Thomas Fusco same thing so I you 81 00:03:56,229 --> 00:03:54,020 know I I don't personally have a problem 82 00:03:59,949 --> 00:03:56,239 I'm sitting behind the fact that I went 83 00:04:02,380 --> 00:03:59,959 to university for five years and didn't 84 00:04:03,790 --> 00:04:02,390 even bother to really declare a major or 85 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:03,800 anything I just went to attend classes 86 00:04:08,860 --> 00:04:06,290 I'm perfectly okay with saying that but 87 00:04:11,470 --> 00:04:08,870 some people have an issue around it in 88 00:04:13,990 --> 00:04:11,480 this realm and and that's that's their 89 00:04:18,190 --> 00:04:14,000 right I think we kind of hope though 90 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:18,200 that understanding the situation they 91 00:04:22,450 --> 00:04:20,209 would be more forthcoming I understand 92 00:04:22,990 --> 00:04:22,460 he's has a right to his privacy David 93 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:23,000 Rountree 94 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:25,370 but I can't see that revealing his 95 00:04:30,820 --> 00:04:28,250 educational background is going to hurt 96 00:04:34,210 --> 00:04:30,830 him somehow well I think he was more 97 00:04:35,590 --> 00:04:34,220 concerned with his helm Amata I think he 98 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:35,600 said he didn't want to bring any undue 99 00:04:40,090 --> 00:04:37,850 attention to them going on the 100 00:04:42,820 --> 00:04:40,100 assumption that they might be getting 101 00:04:45,770 --> 00:04:42,830 some flack because of his choice of 102 00:04:49,010 --> 00:04:45,780 hobbies I don't see that 103 00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:49,020 oh I don't see why I mean a lot of 104 00:04:52,790 --> 00:04:50,880 people have been involved in UFO 105 00:04:55,370 --> 00:04:52,800 research and they went to normal places 106 00:04:58,100 --> 00:04:55,380 and they didn't have anything to live 107 00:05:01,310 --> 00:04:58,110 down I mean Jim Mosely went to what 108 00:05:03,590 --> 00:05:01,320 Princeton he didn't graduate but he went 109 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:03,600 there I don't think Princeton saying 110 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:07,050 please don't mention us but Alfred 111 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:08,730 Alfred Weber who went to Yale 112 00:05:13,820 --> 00:05:11,730 see what good it did him right and I 113 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:13,830 haven't heard that Yale has officially 114 00:05:21,340 --> 00:05:17,730 released an edict saying it is not our 115 00:05:24,830 --> 00:05:21,350 policy to ever mention his name 116 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:24,840 connection with Yale no well look what 117 00:05:28,670 --> 00:05:26,250 happened to John Mac I mean there have 118 00:05:30,409 --> 00:05:28,680 been examples of people some more 119 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:30,419 high-profile than others that have run 120 00:05:34,670 --> 00:05:32,400 into problems with educational 121 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:34,680 educational institutions especially if 122 00:05:40,909 --> 00:05:36,810 they were associated with them directly 123 00:05:43,070 --> 00:05:40,919 so but still I I don't see I don't see 124 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:43,080 why David Rountree and Thomas visco just 125 00:05:48,170 --> 00:05:45,180 can't tell us hey this is the level of 126 00:05:50,780 --> 00:05:48,180 my education this is what I studied you 127 00:05:53,780 --> 00:05:50,790 know I'm proud of it make of it what you 128 00:05:56,270 --> 00:05:53,790 will but you know put your cards on the 129 00:05:59,000 --> 00:05:56,280 table I didn't I don't think there's a 130 00:06:03,529 --> 00:05:59,010 problem with that let's move over to our 131 00:06:06,770 --> 00:06:03,539 guest Tim good thank you mister good 132 00:06:09,740 --> 00:06:06,780 welcome back to the power cast thank you 133 00:06:12,590 --> 00:06:09,750 very much okay so you hear us talking 134 00:06:15,110 --> 00:06:12,600 about educational background so they're 135 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:15,120 gonna ask you you basically studied 136 00:06:20,930 --> 00:06:18,810 music well I suppose you could port the 137 00:06:24,020 --> 00:06:20,940 university but I got a scholarship to 138 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:24,030 the Royal Academy of Music where I spent 139 00:06:29,510 --> 00:06:26,490 four years and that was after my my 140 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:29,520 final schooling at what we call a public 141 00:06:36,469 --> 00:06:34,770 school and gosh that's way back but for 142 00:06:38,870 --> 00:06:36,479 years I was at the Royal Academy of 143 00:06:41,630 --> 00:06:38,880 Music in London so that will be the 144 00:06:45,170 --> 00:06:41,640 equivalent of of a university and your 145 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:45,180 and your estimations are quite different 146 00:06:51,350 --> 00:06:47,490 from say Oxford or Cambridge in that it 147 00:06:54,649 --> 00:06:51,360 specialized in music now of course 148 00:06:59,690 --> 00:06:54,659 you've also worked as a session musician 149 00:07:02,780 --> 00:06:59,700 I remember famous artists I did indeed 150 00:07:04,490 --> 00:07:02,790 yes I had 20 years in the Cession scene 151 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:04,500 and I don't regret any of it it was 152 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:06,450 great fun and it was also very well paid 153 00:07:11,780 --> 00:07:10,110 unlike classical music and I thoroughly 154 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:11,790 enjoyed myself and I had the great 155 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:13,170 pleasure of playing with some of the 156 00:07:20,330 --> 00:07:16,710 great artists of the time so it was 157 00:07:22,070 --> 00:07:20,340 great it was great fun and just to 158 00:07:25,790 --> 00:07:22,080 mention a couple of names like Phil 159 00:07:28,940 --> 00:07:25,800 Collins you - Rod Stewart Paul McCartney 160 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:28,950 George Harrison well yes indeed yeah 161 00:07:33,860 --> 00:07:31,290 yeah what a list my goodness 162 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:33,870 you know some backing for for some of 163 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:37,410 their albums those guys albums well I'd 164 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:38,850 love to be a flying wall in a few of 165 00:07:45,770 --> 00:07:43,410 those sessions with boy so what's the 166 00:07:49,370 --> 00:07:45,780 like working with Rod Stewart as he is 167 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:49,380 gorgeous in person actually chatted to 168 00:07:55,970 --> 00:07:52,530 him we I think there's only one that I I 169 00:07:58,520 --> 00:07:55,980 backed him on and that was with quite a 170 00:08:00,830 --> 00:07:58,530 few session musicians in Wembley which 171 00:08:04,340 --> 00:08:00,840 is a part of London where there are 172 00:08:07,610 --> 00:08:04,350 several studios and he did a pre record 173 00:08:09,650 --> 00:08:07,620 there and it was great fun I can't 174 00:08:13,550 --> 00:08:09,660 offhand and then remember the name of 175 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:13,560 the title of the of the song that we did 176 00:08:17,630 --> 00:08:16,290 but it was it was good fun and I 177 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:17,640 recognise that played on another 178 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:20,490 occasion with him as well but I 179 00:08:26,170 --> 00:08:22,890 certainly worked with Paul McCartney on 180 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:26,180 on several occasions and on one occasion 181 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:29,910 a small group of us went down to his 182 00:08:35,719 --> 00:08:32,970 windmill home on the south coast of 183 00:08:37,820 --> 00:08:35,729 Suffolk and it was a great experience 184 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:37,830 well good fun he spent you know most of 185 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:39,810 the day there and Glinda was alive at 186 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:42,210 that time and she got tea and cakes and 187 00:08:49,660 --> 00:08:44,970 stuff and McCartney was wonderful and it 188 00:08:54,950 --> 00:08:49,670 was I delivered pizza to him once I 189 00:08:59,060 --> 00:08:54,960 delivered it said to him was at the 190 00:09:03,080 --> 00:08:59,070 Waldorf in New York oh my goodness well 191 00:09:05,180 --> 00:09:03,090 boy I tell you that that's quite that's 192 00:09:07,250 --> 00:09:05,190 quite a scene to be involved with and 193 00:09:09,740 --> 00:09:07,260 you know being a fellow the musician of 194 00:09:14,030 --> 00:09:09,750 sorts not not obviously your caliber but 195 00:09:16,449 --> 00:09:14,040 it's always fun to to see how how the 196 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:16,459 Nationals produce music arrange it in 197 00:09:21,889 --> 00:09:19,410 and actually get you know in capable 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dot-com or check us 311 00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:34,260 out at itunes on the para caste with 312 00:14:39,139 --> 00:14:36,000 gene and Chris we're joined by Timothy 313 00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:39,149 good who is a violinist by profession 314 00:14:45,230 --> 00:14:43,680 and a UFO researcher that's your hobby 315 00:14:48,650 --> 00:14:45,240 UFO researcher right 316 00:14:50,449 --> 00:14:48,660 well no no I'd say it's also my 317 00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:50,459 profession because I lecture on the 318 00:14:56,930 --> 00:14:53,360 subject throughout the United Kingdom 319 00:14:58,880 --> 00:14:56,940 mostly to what we used to call public 320 00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:58,890 schools but are now called independent 321 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:00,480 schools to the sixth form which is the 322 00:15:06,250 --> 00:15:04,079 top form I'm still doing that and I 323 00:15:09,170 --> 00:15:06,260 thoroughly enjoyed and I lecture 324 00:15:12,590 --> 00:15:09,180 elsewhere at conferences sometime 325 00:15:15,079 --> 00:15:12,600 sometimes I'll be at the Phoenix 326 00:15:18,220 --> 00:15:15,089 conference in February I think it's 327 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:18,230 something might be twelve to the 16th of 328 00:15:24,050 --> 00:15:20,250 February I'm just flying out I've been 329 00:15:25,610 --> 00:15:24,060 flown out for five days in total so I'm 330 00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:25,620 looking I'm looking forward to that and 331 00:15:30,019 --> 00:15:27,600 I know it's a very good conference they 332 00:15:31,550 --> 00:15:30,029 do out there yeah and we're we're in the 333 00:15:33,230 --> 00:15:31,560 area and we'll probably get a chance to 334 00:15:35,420 --> 00:15:33,240 see you there oh great 335 00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:35,430 yeah and James down there just outside 336 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:39,120 of town and I'm up towards Sedona great 337 00:15:45,530 --> 00:15:41,130 and Chris is gonna pay for the lunch 338 00:15:49,850 --> 00:15:45,540 there you go lunch is on me okay I take 339 00:15:51,319 --> 00:15:49,860 that as a solid commitment they do put 340 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:51,329 on a good conference it should be fun 341 00:15:55,130 --> 00:15:53,310 I'm looking forward to seeing you again 342 00:15:57,639 --> 00:15:55,140 the last time we saw each other Tim 343 00:15:59,410 --> 00:15:57,649 actually was in 2004 at the X conference 344 00:16:00,819 --> 00:15:59,420 I tried to introduce you to race 345 00:16:14,169 --> 00:16:00,829 Stanford and you turned on your heel and 346 00:16:15,819 --> 00:16:14,179 you ran from me all right let me let me 347 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:15,829 get back here because I'm obviously 348 00:16:21,489 --> 00:16:18,649 confused over this this is some kind of 349 00:16:24,489 --> 00:16:21,499 inside baseball conversation okay 350 00:16:26,859 --> 00:16:24,499 why would ray Stanford bringing apart 351 00:16:30,100 --> 00:16:26,869 that reaction I don't know I was hoping 352 00:16:32,019 --> 00:16:30,110 to get a little bit more insight to me 353 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:32,029 there were two brothers weren't there 354 00:16:38,650 --> 00:16:34,970 Rex and Ray Gregson ray correct who Rose 355 00:16:41,259 --> 00:16:38,660 was that encounter experiences as I 356 00:16:44,230 --> 00:16:41,269 recall many many like I mean we're 357 00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:44,240 talking decades of area now 60 years ago 358 00:16:50,290 --> 00:16:46,910 and I cannot certainly remember my own 359 00:16:55,059 --> 00:16:52,449 yeah and should I introduce you to him 360 00:16:58,030 --> 00:16:55,069 ah he lived just a couple of towns south 361 00:17:00,280 --> 00:16:58,040 of Gettysburg where the X conference was 362 00:17:01,869 --> 00:17:00,290 being held and I think you had somewhere 363 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:01,879 to go obviously because you should left 364 00:17:08,620 --> 00:17:06,049 in a hurry the time before that time 365 00:17:11,049 --> 00:17:08,630 well you and I flew around the San Luis 366 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:11,059 Valley with John Altschuler piloting his 367 00:17:20,620 --> 00:17:19,010 plane yeah way back yeah that was quite 368 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:20,630 something and you supplied some 369 00:17:24,819 --> 00:17:22,610 photographs for my second book enter the 370 00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:24,829 valley from something pictures that you 371 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:26,720 took the great shots of the sand dunes 372 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:30,049 and and the big Blanca mountain there 373 00:17:34,810 --> 00:17:32,330 but boy I'll tell you that that was 374 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:34,820 probably one of the most scary flights 375 00:17:39,370 --> 00:17:36,770 I've ever taken when all when he had 376 00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:39,380 four radios and they all went silent 377 00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:41,600 blackout when we approached the airport 378 00:17:45,850 --> 00:17:44,000 exactly right over the dry creeks area 379 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:45,860 where you know magnetic anomalies have 380 00:17:49,930 --> 00:17:47,570 been have been known to happen that was 381 00:17:52,990 --> 00:17:49,940 quite quite something that was thrilling 382 00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:53,000 Julie mom handled that really well he 383 00:17:58,210 --> 00:17:56,480 was he was a fine pilot very respected 384 00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:58,220 and tremendously you know well it was 385 00:18:04,450 --> 00:17:59,600 the last time he ever set foot in the 386 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:04,460 San Luis Valley he swore he'd never ever 387 00:18:09,220 --> 00:18:07,490 come back and he didn't yeah as I recall 388 00:18:10,620 --> 00:18:09,230 he was one of the first if not the first 389 00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:10,630 to 390 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:15,070 which that is correct it was the mystery 391 00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:16,480 pathologist that did the examination 392 00:18:22,769 --> 00:18:20,320 yeah yeah and he showed me at his home 393 00:18:24,509 --> 00:18:22,779 dozens of of slides I'm not talking 394 00:18:27,509 --> 00:18:24,519 about film slides I'm talking about 395 00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:27,519 glass slides with samples leading wrong 396 00:18:32,190 --> 00:18:29,919 mutilations he had he had I think he 397 00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:32,200 must have had hundreds if not thousands 398 00:18:36,659 --> 00:18:34,960 of different slides he did she did what 399 00:18:39,509 --> 00:18:36,669 up on the microscope for me which I 400 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:39,519 found absolutely fascinating yeah it was 401 00:18:43,799 --> 00:18:41,769 really sad when we lost him he died in a 402 00:18:47,850 --> 00:18:43,809 bicycle accident on a bicycle accident 403 00:18:49,230 --> 00:18:47,860 it was very tragic it was yeah shame I 404 00:18:51,749 --> 00:18:49,240 think he got you know got knocked off 405 00:18:54,090 --> 00:18:51,759 the road or something I'm not sure that 406 00:18:56,039 --> 00:18:54,100 of the details now this this long if you 407 00:18:59,039 --> 00:18:56,049 got hit by a truck okay that's like 408 00:19:00,600 --> 00:18:59,049 truck yeah kind of John Mack style 409 00:19:03,210 --> 00:19:00,610 except on the other side of the world 410 00:19:05,669 --> 00:19:03,220 yeah I was wondering if the truck that 411 00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:05,679 hit John Mack was a Mac but I probably 412 00:19:12,990 --> 00:19:08,679 shouldn't go there well folks let's now 413 00:19:15,629 --> 00:19:13,000 go dark and dirty and deep into your UFO 414 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:15,639 studies what got you interested first 415 00:19:20,220 --> 00:19:18,190 Tim good and I want to start this 416 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:20,230 because a lot of our listeners now 417 00:19:26,580 --> 00:19:24,730 weren't here with our show back in 2007 418 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:26,590 so let's write and they want to be alive 419 00:19:32,249 --> 00:19:28,570 when I first became interested in you 420 00:19:33,450 --> 00:19:32,259 first ninety you and I were both alive 421 00:19:39,690 --> 00:19:33,460 but that's another story 422 00:19:42,299 --> 00:19:39,700 this was 1955 and I was at school and a 423 00:19:43,259 --> 00:19:42,309 cousin from America a cousin of my 424 00:19:46,259 --> 00:19:43,269 mother's called 425 00:19:48,690 --> 00:19:46,269 Edmund c---berkeley he was the guy who 426 00:19:51,810 --> 00:19:48,700 actually was the first to produce a 427 00:19:54,570 --> 00:19:51,820 magazine on it was called computers and 428 00:19:56,759 --> 00:19:54,580 automation in the nineteen forties it 429 00:19:58,830 --> 00:19:56,769 was considered a nut case but he was 430 00:20:00,869 --> 00:19:58,840 more ahead of a game to do with with 431 00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:00,879 computers he told me things that 432 00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:02,799 computers would be able to do you know 433 00:20:07,230 --> 00:20:04,960 talking decades ahead and it's all it's 434 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:07,240 all come true but he came around he 435 00:20:12,629 --> 00:20:09,730 stayed with us he was the second cousin 436 00:20:14,730 --> 00:20:12,639 of my mother and he was well aware of my 437 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:14,740 passion for aviation and space travel 438 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:17,049 and he said Timothy you like airplanes 439 00:20:22,619 --> 00:20:19,690 you like rocket ships you need to know 440 00:20:24,539 --> 00:20:22,629 about flying saucers and so he got me a 441 00:20:26,639 --> 00:20:24,549 book the flying saucers are we 442 00:20:28,639 --> 00:20:26,649 by major donkey hoe and mailed it to me 443 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:28,649 and I haven't looked back since then 444 00:20:34,379 --> 00:20:31,330 1955 well I might tell you something 445 00:20:35,999 --> 00:20:34,389 that sounds like the book I read that's 446 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:36,009 the first book I read but my story is 447 00:20:42,779 --> 00:20:39,129 interesting because my late brother left 448 00:20:43,829 --> 00:20:42,789 a copy on his coffee table in his home 449 00:20:46,739 --> 00:20:43,839 in Brooklyn New York 450 00:20:48,959 --> 00:20:46,749 right and I was really young I was 11 451 00:20:50,969 --> 00:20:48,969 years old at the time so I won't reveal 452 00:20:53,489 --> 00:20:50,979 the real age it's something less than 453 00:20:57,209 --> 00:20:53,499 115 right now maybe I just feel that way 454 00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,219 and I read that book as you did yeah and 455 00:21:01,949 --> 00:20:59,440 I was hooked I said I could follow up on 456 00:21:04,829 --> 00:21:01,959 this and as I got older I started 457 00:21:06,509 --> 00:21:04,839 running to the book stores because it 458 00:21:08,999 --> 00:21:06,519 was safe than to take a subway in New 459 00:21:11,099 --> 00:21:09,009 York City yeah and go from Brooklyn to 460 00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:11,109 Manhattan and they had used book stores 461 00:21:17,459 --> 00:21:14,169 where I buy used or closeout UFO books 462 00:21:21,629 --> 00:21:17,469 and that's how I cut my teeth on the 463 00:21:24,839 --> 00:21:21,639 subject mm-hmm yeah well I knows how 464 00:21:26,639 --> 00:21:24,849 many books I've got now but it's a huge 465 00:21:27,989 --> 00:21:26,649 amount I don't have all the books 466 00:21:29,489 --> 00:21:27,999 there's no point in just buying the 467 00:21:30,959 --> 00:21:29,499 books for the sake of it you know unless 468 00:21:32,969 --> 00:21:30,969 there's something specific that 469 00:21:34,949 --> 00:21:32,979 interests you it's not worth getting 470 00:21:38,249 --> 00:21:34,959 books and there's there's so much 471 00:21:41,969 --> 00:21:38,259 rehashing of stuff no it's it's a great 472 00:21:44,339 --> 00:21:41,979 subject and of course as most of your 473 00:21:47,789 --> 00:21:44,349 listeners and yourselves will be aware 474 00:21:50,369 --> 00:21:47,799 it is actually I have been told by 475 00:21:53,129 --> 00:21:50,379 people who are in very high positions of 476 00:21:55,369 --> 00:21:53,139 knowledge that it is the most sensitive 477 00:21:58,889 --> 00:21:55,379 subject in the intelligence community 478 00:22:02,039 --> 00:21:58,899 furthermore it represents a very great 479 00:22:05,009 --> 00:22:02,049 threat to planet earth perhaps we can 480 00:22:06,810 --> 00:22:05,019 talk about that a little later well 481 00:22:08,639 --> 00:22:06,820 you're already raising the subject but I 482 00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:08,649 want to ask you something first because 483 00:22:13,739 --> 00:22:11,320 our listeners are always concerned about 484 00:22:16,319 --> 00:22:13,749 the facts behind a claim these high 485 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:16,329 sources intelligence sources what I 486 00:22:20,879 --> 00:22:18,609 assume when you don't mention them that 487 00:22:25,469 --> 00:22:20,889 you're being asked to keep their name 488 00:22:27,299 --> 00:22:25,479 secret okay so the obvious question 489 00:22:29,339 --> 00:22:27,309 people are going to ask we can get some 490 00:22:31,859 --> 00:22:29,349 skeptical people in our forms is all 491 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:31,869 right he says he's got these sources how 492 00:22:36,389 --> 00:22:33,609 do we know that how do we demonstrate 493 00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:36,399 that these sources are real and if they 494 00:22:40,030 --> 00:22:38,150 are real they're telling him 495 00:22:49,570 --> 00:22:40,040 the truth we'll find out more with Jean 496 00:22:52,570 --> 00:22:49,580 and Chris you're in the para cast from 497 00:22:53,410 --> 00:22:52,580 our family to yours have a very Merry 498 00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,420 Christmas 499 00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:55,760 we are the Genesis communications 500 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:00,320 network G C if you want to get your 501 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:02,930 website online and you need reliable 502 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:05,330 service first-class service at the 503 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:07,490 lowest possible price there's only one 504 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:09,110 place to go well dream house has a 505 00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:11,570 special promotion with our show where 506 00:23:17,410 --> 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accumulate in front of your house don't 562 00:25:22,210 --> 00:25:19,220 announce your travel plans on social 563 00:25:24,460 --> 00:25:22,220 media and plug in fake TV burglars love 564 00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:24,470 the dark fake TV is a bit like a light 565 00:25:28,660 --> 00:25:26,630 on a timer but more convincing plugs 566 00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:28,670 into any outlet and simulates the colors 567 00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:31,190 and movement of a real TV burglars will 568 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:32,990 see light and movement and likely move 569 00:25:37,030 --> 00:25:35,570 on to easier targets fake TV cost less 570 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:37,040 than a month of most alarm monitoring 571 00:25:40,990 --> 00:25:39,110 plans and makes a great Christmas gift 572 00:25:42,970 --> 00:25:41,000 or it's perfect if you're traveling over 573 00:25:44,590 --> 00:25:42,980 the holidays or any time so before you 574 00:25:47,410 --> 00:25:44,600 leave your house looking like an empty 575 00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:47,420 easy target ordered fake TV today call 576 00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:50,060 eight seven seven five fake TV or go to 577 00:25:53,470 --> 00:25:51,440 fete tv.com 578 00:25:55,810 --> 00:25:53,480 that's eight seven seven five three two 579 00:25:59,500 --> 00:25:55,820 five three eight eight or go to fete 580 00:26:01,870 --> 00:25:59,510 tv.com fake TV the burglar deterrent 581 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:01,880 my name is Bruno I'm 52 years old I've 582 00:26:05,260 --> 00:26:03,710 tried different protein powders over the 583 00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:05,270 years and they've all tasted pretty bad 584 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:06,950 I tried one world away and found it to 585 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:09,050 be delicious after 10 weeks on one world 586 00:26:12,490 --> 00:26:10,910 way my wife commented you have more 587 00:26:14,290 --> 00:26:12,500 muscles and you're leaner than when you 588 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:14,300 were 20 years old my body has changed 589 00:26:19,150 --> 00:26:17,210 dramatically I'm a cyclist normally I'll 590 00:26:22,030 --> 00:26:19,160 ride two days on and take two days off 591 00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:22,040 after being on one world way I wrote 10 592 00:26:26,170 --> 00:26:23,960 days in a row and over 100 degree heat 593 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:26,180 and then I take another two servings of 594 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:27,890 one world away and then workout at the 595 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:30,170 gym for another hour and a half I just 596 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:32,570 couldn't believe these results my normal 597 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:34,130 muscle tightness and soreness after 598 00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,410 working out are virtually gone don't 599 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:38,480 take my word for it one will way comes 600 00:26:43,150 --> 00:26:40,610 in single servings just give it a try 601 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:43,160 for a health and taste sensation you'll 602 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:45,530 love call eight eight eight nine eight 603 00:26:49,090 --> 00:26:47,570 eight three three two five that's eight 604 00:26:50,980 --> 00:26:49,100 eight eight nine eight eight three three 605 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:50,990 two five that's eight eight eight nine 606 00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:52,850 eight eight three three two five or 607 00:27:03,820 --> 00:26:55,910 visit one world wacom that's 608 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:03,830 One World wh ey calm this is Leslie Kane 609 00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:05,690 and I'm with the Coalition for freedom 610 00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:07,700 of information and you are listening to 611 00:27:12,550 --> 00:27:10,180 the podcast 612 00:27:14,260 --> 00:27:12,560 Timothy good joining us he's written a 613 00:27:16,270 --> 00:27:14,270 number of books such as above top secret 614 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:16,280 in the later version beyond top secret 615 00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:18,890 and he's coming out with another book on 616 00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:21,980 UFOs he hasn't given up on it so you got 617 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:23,990 the sense Tim of the question I asked 618 00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:26,090 here the skeptics point of view saying 619 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:27,740 well you've got these sources how do we 620 00:27:32,170 --> 00:27:30,050 know they are what you say they are well 621 00:27:35,170 --> 00:27:32,180 obviously I don't go beyond what I've 622 00:27:38,410 --> 00:27:35,180 told you which is I've come to know 623 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:38,420 these people few and far between the 624 00:27:45,670 --> 00:27:41,810 they are over a very very long period of 625 00:27:47,950 --> 00:27:45,680 time and most of them most of the fields 626 00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:47,960 and there's just a handful given the 627 00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:49,910 information I have given me a great deal 628 00:27:53,890 --> 00:27:52,190 of information out of decades and in 629 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:53,900 some other countries as well I have a 630 00:27:59,410 --> 00:27:56,810 field contact okay about these contacts 631 00:28:00,970 --> 00:27:59,420 ever get the feeling that maybe some of 632 00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:00,980 them are giving you a little bit of 633 00:28:06,330 --> 00:28:04,460 disinformation do you know that what 634 00:28:10,570 --> 00:28:06,340 you're hearing from them is reliable I 635 00:28:14,170 --> 00:28:10,580 get that impression and that only arises 636 00:28:16,210 --> 00:28:14,180 from the fact that I've had long 637 00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:16,220 friendships with these people I mean I'm 638 00:28:20,830 --> 00:28:18,830 talking about decades with some of them 639 00:28:25,330 --> 00:28:20,840 at any rate some of them I've known for 640 00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:25,340 30 40 years and I only ever get get an 641 00:28:30,010 --> 00:28:27,950 occasional amount of information and 642 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:30,020 occasional updates a lot of the 643 00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:32,570 information remains out of date that 644 00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:35,950 that's for sure like a washington-based 645 00:28:43,810 --> 00:28:38,720 aerospace journalist he's still alive 646 00:28:46,210 --> 00:28:43,820 become a dear friend and he gave me he 647 00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,220 gave me a lot of information about about 648 00:28:51,070 --> 00:28:49,520 what was going on and a lot of it is is 649 00:28:55,290 --> 00:28:51,080 quite disturbing actually 650 00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:55,300 all right disturbing in what way well 651 00:29:01,420 --> 00:28:57,710 what I've been told is that there is a 652 00:29:04,570 --> 00:29:01,430 tremendous threat posed to earth and 653 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:04,580 this has been going on for decades since 654 00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:07,130 the 1940s allegedly 655 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,230 this is what I have been told some of 656 00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:09,410 the 657 00:29:17,290 --> 00:29:13,790 species of Grey's as I'm sure you're 658 00:29:19,570 --> 00:29:17,300 aware have hunkered down in in 659 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:19,580 underground bases on planet earth and 660 00:29:27,660 --> 00:29:25,850 their objective is to take over the 661 00:29:30,430 --> 00:29:27,670 planet they have a hundred year plan 662 00:29:32,110 --> 00:29:30,440 supposedly I'm very cynical about all 663 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:32,120 this as you can you can read from the 664 00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,290 final chapter in my book live where I I 665 00:29:41,710 --> 00:29:38,240 reference this and this is this is what 666 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:41,720 I've been told that let's just set this 667 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:44,450 apart Tim okay first of all which book 668 00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:47,810 was this this is my latest book that's 669 00:29:53,890 --> 00:29:50,720 an alien enterprise okay so this one is 670 00:29:57,910 --> 00:29:53,900 going to tell us okay the final chapter 671 00:29:59,650 --> 00:29:57,920 of your new book yet and you're telling 672 00:30:05,500 --> 00:29:59,660 us here that number one there are 673 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:05,510 several species of grace and well I well 674 00:30:10,570 --> 00:30:07,850 I can tell you is what I have been told 675 00:30:15,460 --> 00:30:10,580 from from my source from my Washington 676 00:30:17,740 --> 00:30:15,470 source and I've learned the tremendous 677 00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,750 amount of information about this being 678 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:20,240 allegedly they have a long term plan to 679 00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:24,250 create a race of alien human hybrids 680 00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,920 purportedly they allege to make us more 681 00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:30,320 peaceful their true purpose is one that 682 00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:32,120 I've been told however is to create a 683 00:30:38,620 --> 00:30:35,590 passive human race incapable of violence 684 00:30:41,410 --> 00:30:38,630 by eradicating the human emotions that 685 00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:41,420 enable us to survive the slaying of to 686 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:44,960 conquest however as I've pointed out if 687 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:47,090 this has been a long-term stratagem have 688 00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:49,250 yet to see much evidence of the human 689 00:30:55,180 --> 00:30:52,640 race becoming less violent and in any 690 00:30:56,830 --> 00:30:55,190 event these particular aliens who are 691 00:31:00,640 --> 00:30:56,840 trying to take over the planet in an 692 00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:00,650 alleged hundred year plan supposedly are 693 00:31:07,150 --> 00:31:03,080 not omnipotent and to a certain extent 694 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:07,160 they they feared us and they do have 695 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:09,770 weaponry untold but some of them had 696 00:31:14,260 --> 00:31:13,250 been killed by our military a number of 697 00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,270 their bases 698 00:31:19,630 --> 00:31:16,640 strangely were guarded by elements of 699 00:31:22,270 --> 00:31:19,640 the United States military and the whole 700 00:31:22,910 --> 00:31:22,280 object was allegedly classified under 701 00:31:25,580 --> 00:31:22,920 something 702 00:31:27,410 --> 00:31:25,590 project Aquarius Aquarius has cropped up 703 00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:27,420 in in other documents as well as I'm 704 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:31,230 sure you're aware that a great deal of 705 00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:35,850 information and not everybody even even 706 00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:37,500 fear the commanders-in-chief 707 00:31:44,420 --> 00:31:40,710 we're out of the loop I I have been told 708 00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:44,430 but those in the loop was said to have 709 00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:46,440 included I'm going way back here several 710 00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:48,510 decades to include the president they're 711 00:31:52,670 --> 00:31:50,940 not always the super Krete defense the 712 00:31:54,140 --> 00:31:52,680 director of Central Intelligence and the 713 00:32:00,620 --> 00:31:54,150 chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 714 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:00,630 and dossiers on potential in the event 715 00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:02,850 of leaks dossiers on potential offenders 716 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:05,460 were supposedly prepared by security 717 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:09,330 personnel to discredit their reputations 718 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:11,730 in the media if they let slip with what 719 00:32:16,790 --> 00:32:14,970 was going on those few people in 720 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:16,800 Congress and the media I was told who 721 00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:19,170 expressed an interest and asked too many 722 00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,280 questions were dealt with I don't know 723 00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:25,980 exactly what's meant by that but several 724 00:32:33,980 --> 00:32:29,070 people have I'm I'm told having dealt 725 00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:33,990 with terminally a president as well as a 726 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:35,880 chairman of the Joint Chiefs he's 727 00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:39,450 alleged to have been abducted as to who 728 00:32:45,170 --> 00:32:41,880 I really haven't a clue but there's an 729 00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:45,180 invisible bear II really known report 730 00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:47,820 dating back to 1982 which which I 731 00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:50,100 published for the first time here in my 732 00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,750 sort of thought about publishing it for 733 00:32:57,140 --> 00:32:54,000 a long time and it relates to general 734 00:32:58,910 --> 00:32:57,150 william Westmoreland who was the u.s. 735 00:33:00,790 --> 00:32:58,920 army general who commanded military 736 00:33:03,010 --> 00:33:00,800 operations in the Vietnam War and later 737 00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:03,020 became the u.s. army chief of staff 738 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:05,640 there was a newspaper article which I 739 00:33:13,580 --> 00:33:09,810 got in the London Evening Standard and 740 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:13,590 it says youthful kidnap puts US Army in 741 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:16,890 a flap a report that America's Vietnam 742 00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:18,690 commander general william Westmoreland 743 00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:21,240 have been snatched by a flying saucer 744 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:24,230 sparked off a full-scale emergency alert 745 00:33:30,410 --> 00:33:27,330 the report was made by 49 year old mrs. 746 00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:30,420 Edith Mello security police immediately 747 00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:32,310 tried to track down the general they 748 00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:34,830 failed and troops at El Paso army base 749 00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:37,710 in Texas were put on full alert 750 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:40,750 we put out an all-points bulletin at 751 00:33:44,879 --> 00:33:43,090 army spokesman Edie Stan's but four 752 00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:44,889 hours later we decided the woman's claim 753 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:46,870 was just too much so we called off the 754 00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:49,809 search the army later said that 755 00:33:55,169 --> 00:33:52,240 Westmoreland has been found but they 756 00:33:59,460 --> 00:33:55,179 refused to stay where or in what 757 00:34:02,039 --> 00:33:59,470 circumstances so it you know there's no 758 00:34:03,450 --> 00:34:02,049 way of proving that in and in any way 759 00:34:05,970 --> 00:34:03,460 shape or form as well you know 760 00:34:09,089 --> 00:34:05,980 especially since it dates back such a 761 00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:09,099 way okay but 19 a deal with something 762 00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,300 here Tim that obviously is going to be 763 00:34:17,369 --> 00:34:15,280 disbelief and the big question I'd ask 764 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:17,379 you before we even get into more details 765 00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:20,290 about alien hybrids and about this 766 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:22,780 secret plan to take control and that is 767 00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:25,450 why would anyone allow you to talk about 768 00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:27,250 it if this is something under deep 769 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:30,060 top-secret we don't want to possibly 770 00:34:36,419 --> 00:34:33,550 panic the populace here knowing that our 771 00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:36,429 alien visitors are hostile how would you 772 00:34:42,359 --> 00:34:39,700 be allowed to tell about it well I have 773 00:34:45,389 --> 00:34:42,369 and I've done it in infecting in 774 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:45,399 unearthly disclosure which is several 775 00:34:50,430 --> 00:34:48,490 books back I touched on it but in my 776 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:50,440 latest book I've gone into a great deal 777 00:35:02,280 --> 00:34:55,210 more more detail especially specifically 778 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:02,290 or in particularly about about their the 779 00:35:09,089 --> 00:35:05,650 way they are constructed great details 780 00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:09,099 medical details about them which is 781 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:12,400 absolutely fascinating I can't say it's 782 00:35:18,210 --> 00:35:14,530 true it's just what I've been told over 783 00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:18,220 a long period of time do you have reason 784 00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:20,280 to believe that what you've been told is 785 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:23,920 authentic by any verification have other 786 00:35:33,329 --> 00:35:26,050 things you've been told proven to be 787 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,339 true well any of these aliens thank 788 00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:35,920 heavens but I also think you come back 789 00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:38,950 from the visit would you I well people 790 00:35:44,130 --> 00:35:41,980 do but I think some of them do not have 791 00:35:47,550 --> 00:35:44,140 our best interest at heart that is for 792 00:35:50,099 --> 00:35:47,560 sure well this goes into the theory then 793 00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:50,109 that's also voiced by people like dr. 794 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:50,720 David Jay 795 00:35:55,690 --> 00:35:52,970 oops that a lot of the people who are 796 00:35:59,560 --> 00:35:55,700 being abducted and he talks of numbers 797 00:36:01,390 --> 00:35:59,570 in the millions are undergoing various 798 00:36:04,060 --> 00:36:01,400 physical tests for some kind of hybrid 799 00:36:07,930 --> 00:36:04,070 experiment that you're feeling that's 800 00:36:12,070 --> 00:36:07,940 what I've been told and I have a great 801 00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:12,080 deal of respect for dr. Jacobs where are 802 00:36:18,940 --> 00:36:14,950 these facilities that you referred to 803 00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:18,950 located on huge underground and undersea 804 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:22,670 bases around our planet I haven't been 805 00:36:27,550 --> 00:36:25,970 given any specific areas although I in 806 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:27,560 my previous book I think I mentioned 807 00:36:36,099 --> 00:36:30,170 that one of their bases was in the North 808 00:36:38,349 --> 00:36:36,109 Pacific to the west of Hawaii there is a 809 00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:38,359 huge base there we're going to do our 810 00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:40,910 break now Timothy Kirk joins Jean and 811 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:49,550 Chris you're in the para cast wishing 812 00:36:53,980 --> 00:36:51,530 you the brightest of Christmas seasons 813 00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:53,990 and best wishes for the new year from 814 00:37:03,820 --> 00:36:57,440 the Genesis communications network G C 815 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:03,830 and is there a secret UFO agenda to 816 00:37:08,589 --> 00:37:05,900 strange creatures from the darkest 817 00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,599 corners of the mind roam the earth is 818 00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:10,880 there evidence for mind control time 819 00:37:16,329 --> 00:37:13,280 travel or devious government 820 00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:16,339 conspiracies find out the inside scoop 821 00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:18,830 on the latest conspiracies paranormal 822 00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:21,440 activity and important phenomena when 823 00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:23,089 you subscribe to Tim Beckley's 824 00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:26,030 conspiracy journal it's jam-packed with 825 00:37:31,660 --> 00:37:29,030 stories special book and DVD promotions 826 00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:31,670 and the best news is absolutely free 827 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:35,180 sent right to your mailbox plus a bonus 828 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:37,730 free email newsletter sent out every 829 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:40,970 Friday simply sent an email with your 830 00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:41,930 name and address 831 00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:47,510 - mr. 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pick humans 916 00:41:37,739 --> 00:41:34,799 aren't there other races in the universe 917 00:41:39,989 --> 00:41:37,749 there are other races in the universe 918 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:39,999 and the good news is that there are 919 00:41:45,019 --> 00:41:42,249 those who are genetically related to us 920 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:45,029 and perhaps who were responsible for 921 00:41:51,749 --> 00:41:48,130 hybridizing our Park tens of thousands 922 00:41:54,539 --> 00:41:51,759 of years ago are in a situation where 923 00:41:56,249 --> 00:41:54,549 they have a vested interest in this 924 00:41:57,870 --> 00:41:56,259 planet but there are very different 925 00:42:02,789 --> 00:41:57,880 reasons from some of these these 926 00:42:04,919 --> 00:42:02,799 so-called gray types in that they think 927 00:42:06,959 --> 00:42:04,929 that earth is unique not it's not 928 00:42:08,669 --> 00:42:06,969 obviously not unique in the universe nor 929 00:42:10,469 --> 00:42:08,679 indeed in the galaxy there are other 930 00:42:12,209 --> 00:42:10,479 earth-like planets but they have a 931 00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:12,219 vested interest in this planet because 932 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:13,310 it has so 933 00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,130 much to offer they are in a supposedly 934 00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:22,000 in the conflict situation with these 935 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:25,670 so-called hybridizing guys and that's 936 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:29,090 been going on for quite a long time in 937 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:33,050 fact one of the reasons I am mention 938 00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:34,480 that there's no there's a very 939 00:42:40,570 --> 00:42:38,720 controversial chapter in my book called 940 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:40,580 Amma cheats here which is a tie-in for 941 00:42:46,030 --> 00:42:43,010 friendship which deals with the 942 00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:46,040 infiltration of various types of aliens 943 00:42:51,550 --> 00:42:49,670 many of them human type alien some of a 944 00:42:54,850 --> 00:42:51,560 few of them very tall in fact there's a 945 00:42:58,180 --> 00:42:54,860 photograph of a ten-foot tall alien very 946 00:43:00,490 --> 00:42:58,190 sharp photograph not in color 947 00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:00,500 unfortunately publishers seldom can 948 00:43:04,330 --> 00:43:02,540 afford that these days but there's a 949 00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:04,340 river black-and-white photograph or 950 00:43:10,330 --> 00:43:07,390 pretend foot tall alien taken by a 951 00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:10,340 respected Catholic Catholic historian 952 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:13,910 way back in 1976 these people had 953 00:43:19,060 --> 00:43:16,490 infiltrated quite a number of countries 954 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:19,070 in the 1950s and there was a over a 955 00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:22,930 period of 40 years at least one person I 956 00:43:29,590 --> 00:43:26,240 know sadly he died three years ago 957 00:43:31,870 --> 00:43:29,600 professor Stephan Stefano breccia is a 958 00:43:35,230 --> 00:43:31,880 scientist and he had communications on a 959 00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:35,240 regular level with these people and with 960 00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:40,220 others for about 30 40 years and he even 961 00:43:44,620 --> 00:43:42,110 took a ride in one of their craft 962 00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:44,630 together with a German friend a pilot 963 00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:46,940 and the aliens were everything was being 964 00:43:51,610 --> 00:43:49,580 monitored in case of any accidents but 965 00:43:54,910 --> 00:43:51,620 the crafts are very difficult to crash 966 00:43:57,490 --> 00:43:54,920 they're very easy to fly and they have 967 00:44:00,010 --> 00:43:57,500 actually not just given us their 968 00:44:02,860 --> 00:44:00,020 technology but they have given us their 969 00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:02,870 craft and this has been going on not 970 00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:05,030 just in Italy but in many countries 971 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:08,720 throughout the world we are flying our 972 00:44:14,490 --> 00:44:11,090 astronauts and our pilots have been 973 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:14,500 flying from of these craft since the mid 974 00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:17,690 1950s and Gordon Cooper was one of those 975 00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:21,230 who actually offered to fly a flying 976 00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:23,720 saucer onto the outside of the United 977 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:25,430 Nations in New York just to prove what 978 00:44:28,930 --> 00:44:26,930 was going on 979 00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:28,940 quite a number of the astronauts we're 980 00:44:34,839 --> 00:44:31,849 well involved and probably still are 981 00:44:37,299 --> 00:44:34,849 flying actual alien vehicles which we 982 00:44:39,490 --> 00:44:37,309 have been given why have we been given 983 00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:39,500 them because there is the threat posed 984 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:41,960 by these other hybridizing species and 985 00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:44,690 they're there for a conflict but 986 00:44:49,329 --> 00:44:46,760 wouldn't you think that advanced beings 987 00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:49,339 who have the power the technology to 988 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:51,800 give us this craft would be able to 989 00:44:57,220 --> 00:44:53,930 fight the band a lien z' 990 00:45:00,190 --> 00:44:57,230 well they have there have been there 991 00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:00,200 have been conflict situations I was 992 00:45:05,710 --> 00:45:02,990 planning in space where I would think 993 00:45:11,319 --> 00:45:05,720 both I don't know for sure certainly on 994 00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:11,329 this planet wow this is all head 995 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:14,990 spinning stuff I'm I've heard similar 996 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:17,690 theories before but coming from a source 997 00:45:23,020 --> 00:45:20,770 that you trust it's kind of hard to 998 00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:23,030 yeah well that's from several different 999 00:45:34,839 --> 00:45:29,020 I'm not sure I always thought we were 1000 00:45:38,260 --> 00:45:34,849 the aliens we probably are we probably 1001 00:45:39,970 --> 00:45:38,270 are so certainly related to some of them 1002 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:39,980 very closely related to some of them 1003 00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:42,290 well we're we're these supposed races 1004 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:44,180 are coming from do we have any sort do 1005 00:45:49,539 --> 00:45:46,250 you have any sense of well you know part 1006 00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:49,549 of the neighborhood during they've given 1007 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:53,089 very rough sort of guides you know life 1008 00:45:56,799 --> 00:45:54,890 like in that particular neck of the 1009 00:45:58,690 --> 00:45:56,809 galaxy there are several planets which 1010 00:46:02,079 --> 00:45:58,700 they occupy things like that nothing 1011 00:46:04,809 --> 00:46:02,089 really specific right so what do you 1012 00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,819 make of uh let's say Len cast in can 1013 00:46:09,370 --> 00:46:07,520 link Aston in project sir Poe and 1014 00:46:13,089 --> 00:46:09,380 stories that have come out within the 1015 00:46:19,059 --> 00:46:13,099 last ten years about quite a few things 1016 00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,069 I've read in projects I think most of it 1017 00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:21,920 you should probably have a wheelbarrow 1018 00:46:27,609 --> 00:46:25,910 load of salt because some of that is so 1019 00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:27,619 over the top of descriptions of the 1020 00:46:33,789 --> 00:46:31,369 alien planet and whatnot well why have 1021 00:46:37,059 --> 00:46:33,799 your sources what's the rationale for 1022 00:46:39,130 --> 00:46:37,069 them to put themselves at risk possibly 1023 00:46:40,450 --> 00:46:39,140 violate national security else and that 1024 00:46:43,570 --> 00:46:40,460 sort of thing 1025 00:46:45,850 --> 00:46:43,580 telling you Tim good I mean well as far 1026 00:46:48,370 --> 00:46:45,860 as Professor Stefano birch is concerned 1027 00:46:51,010 --> 00:46:48,380 and and many of the people with whom he 1028 00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:51,020 worked and this was a guy you know to be 1029 00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:52,670 taken seriously he lectured of the 1030 00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,000 former Russian Academy of Sciences need 1031 00:47:00,610 --> 00:46:58,640 lecture that universities around the 1032 00:47:04,570 --> 00:47:00,620 world was very knowledgeable as a 1033 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:04,580 scientist and he there were no there 1034 00:47:08,860 --> 00:47:07,130 were no agreements but he'd signed the 1035 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:08,870 government wasn't in charge 1036 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:10,610 certainly the Italian government wasn't 1037 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:13,010 and it might it's probably quite 1038 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:15,530 different in the United States because a 1039 00:47:19,150 --> 00:47:17,330 lot of people who are involved in this 1040 00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:19,160 business do do have very high security 1041 00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:21,670 clearance is relating to that subject 1042 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:24,110 will project Aquarius which I cited 1043 00:47:28,030 --> 00:47:26,090 earlier right well what do you think of 1044 00:47:29,890 --> 00:47:28,040 people like the Colonel John Alexander 1045 00:47:35,170 --> 00:47:29,900 coming out saying there's no such thing 1046 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:35,180 this is all I read his book and it's 1047 00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:39,410 it's a joke really because you know he's 1048 00:47:44,650 --> 00:47:41,390 worked at Los Alamos and he has a very 1049 00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,660 very high top-secret security clearances 1050 00:47:48,190 --> 00:47:46,880 and so on and so forth and he goes to 1051 00:47:49,810 --> 00:47:48,200 great lengths to say that there's 1052 00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:49,820 nothing to do with there are no there 1053 00:47:53,830 --> 00:47:51,710 are no aliens coming here there are no 1054 00:47:55,630 --> 00:47:53,840 unidentified objects but you know that 1055 00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:55,640 we can't explain and so on and so forth 1056 00:48:00,850 --> 00:47:58,490 but in fact the most sensitive 1057 00:48:03,010 --> 00:48:00,860 operations relating to this subject are 1058 00:48:04,450 --> 00:48:03,020 based at Los Alamos I can tell you that 1059 00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:04,460 much I can't tell you much more than 1060 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:07,760 that well still to this day out there 1061 00:48:13,450 --> 00:48:11,570 huh mm-hmm well I don't know 1062 00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:13,460 I can't possibly I haven't the faintest 1063 00:48:20,110 --> 00:48:15,560 idea what I'm what's going like all 1064 00:48:22,180 --> 00:48:20,120 right I didn't unfortunately yeah I'm 1065 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:22,190 out of date my information is out of 1066 00:48:27,850 --> 00:48:26,090 date well I wouldn't be surprised they 1067 00:48:30,210 --> 00:48:27,860 move stuff like that around to a little 1068 00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:30,220 bit to keep everybody on their heels if 1069 00:48:35,470 --> 00:48:33,380 again we're dealing with with reality 1070 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:35,480 here I you know to me it's always been 1071 00:48:42,750 --> 00:48:38,930 very difficult for me to kind of buy 1072 00:48:45,550 --> 00:48:42,760 into scenarios such as you're suggesting 1073 00:48:48,970 --> 00:48:45,560 Minoo there's just so much of it that it 1074 00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,980 doesn't quite ring true for me you've 1075 00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:51,200 been in this in this line of work and in 1076 00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:52,470 these invest 1077 00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:55,020 of corridors for four decades now Tim 1078 00:49:00,020 --> 00:48:58,050 and so obviously you're you're putting 1079 00:49:02,780 --> 00:49:00,030 two and two together and and two and two 1080 00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:02,790 and two and and coming up with with some 1081 00:49:06,140 --> 00:49:04,560 pretty interesting stuff I I personally 1082 00:49:10,810 --> 00:49:06,150 I'm just more of an agnostic about it 1083 00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:10,820 and it's gonna take a lot more you know 1084 00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:12,200 yeah 1085 00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,660 like for instance I heard for years that 1086 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:17,760 there was a some some sort of facility 1087 00:49:24,140 --> 00:49:20,490 in the San Luis Valley most often cited 1088 00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:24,150 under a Blanca peak and try as I might 1089 00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:25,830 to get corroboration of many of these 1090 00:49:31,310 --> 00:49:28,980 stories some from law enforcement others 1091 00:49:34,580 --> 00:49:31,320 from just ranchers and everyday people 1092 00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:34,590 never could actually find the entrance 1093 00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,960 or find the the ventilation I can agree 1094 00:49:44,510 --> 00:49:41,760 with you on that for example I think 1095 00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:44,520 it's about thirty thirty years ago I 1096 00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:47,640 went out with some guys to del C and we 1097 00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,040 had a plane and we took a lot of 1098 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:52,800 photographs all over the belfie range 1099 00:49:58,849 --> 00:49:54,690 and everything and we talked to some of 1100 00:50:02,000 --> 00:49:58,859 the native Indians they weren't very 1101 00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:02,010 talkative about it but we never actually 1102 00:50:06,109 --> 00:50:04,380 saw anything we never came away with 1103 00:50:08,690 --> 00:50:06,119 with anything really concrete 1104 00:50:13,490 --> 00:50:08,700 information about about the you know the 1105 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:13,500 so-called del C alien so I don't know 1106 00:50:18,609 --> 00:50:15,690 how much of that story was exaggerated 1107 00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:18,619 or whether it was basically true that 1108 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:22,260 pulled apart later on oh I've always had 1109 00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:24,930 the assumption or the kind of inkling 1110 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:27,510 that Dulce is a cover for something even 1111 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:29,490 more in the various than what is alleged 1112 00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:33,810 to be there I think that a deal might 1113 00:50:37,460 --> 00:50:35,460 have been made with the Apache to bury 1114 00:50:40,310 --> 00:50:37,470 some really noxious nuclear materials 1115 00:50:42,910 --> 00:50:40,320 from Los Alamos violence role and I 1116 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:42,920 think they've been waving a red herring 1117 00:50:47,660 --> 00:50:45,210 with the right hand while the left hands 1118 00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:47,670 been interrogating the environment 1119 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:51,240 really badly there but yeah I always 1120 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:52,770 thought that the whole Dulce base when 1121 00:50:56,829 --> 00:50:54,410 we started with the Paul bennewitz 1122 00:51:00,980 --> 00:50:56,839 disinformation from Bill Moore and 1123 00:51:03,050 --> 00:51:00,990 Richard 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--> 00:54:31,309 frightening information speaking of the 1208 00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:32,930 various things you've learned over the 1209 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:36,799 years has anything that was given to you 1210 00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:40,730 early on being shown not to be true but 1211 00:54:45,489 --> 00:54:43,369 you had a kind of show I wouldn't know 1212 00:54:47,759 --> 00:54:45,499 where to start a lot of a lot of stories 1213 00:54:50,049 --> 00:54:47,769 a lot of the contactees were fake but 1214 00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,059 quite a number of them were absolutely 1215 00:54:55,749 --> 00:54:52,720 genuine in my opinion and I got to know 1216 00:54:58,900 --> 00:54:55,759 some people who are having regular 1217 00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:58,910 communications Madeline rotifer was that 1218 00:55:03,789 --> 00:55:00,799 was a friend of mine and she looked 1219 00:55:05,950 --> 00:55:03,799 after George Adamski for the last few 1220 00:55:10,359 --> 00:55:05,960 months of his life in Silver Spring 1221 00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:10,369 Maryland at her home there and in 1930 1222 00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:14,480 where in 1965 a craft actually came in 1223 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:17,150 low and hovered for quite some time 1224 00:55:23,259 --> 00:55:19,970 describing a series of maneuvers Adamski 1225 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:23,269 filmed it with I think both a 16 1226 00:55:29,009 --> 00:55:26,450 millimeter camera and later on an 8 1227 00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:29,019 millimeter camera he borrowed Madeline's 1228 00:55:36,190 --> 00:55:31,880 cameras to do to do the filming I'll 1229 00:55:38,979 --> 00:55:36,200 tell you what the analysis of anything 1230 00:55:41,710 --> 00:55:38,989 adapts to be produced and nothing passed 1231 00:55:44,380 --> 00:55:41,720 credibility nothing well I disagree 1232 00:55:46,210 --> 00:55:44,390 entirely elinsky actually had a United 1233 00:55:48,279 --> 00:55:46,220 States government ordinance passed which 1234 00:55:50,650 --> 00:55:48,289 gave him access to all military bases 1235 00:55:53,170 --> 00:55:50,660 throughout the world and the White House 1236 00:55:55,870 --> 00:55:53,180 and that was confirmed by dr. Jacques 1237 00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:55,880 Vallee when did that happen when was 1238 00:56:03,309 --> 00:56:00,160 that confirmation about I think about 1239 00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,319 15-20 years ago something like that that 1240 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:05,680 George Adamski who ran the hotdog stand 1241 00:56:12,970 --> 00:56:09,290 at the foot of Mount Palomar Observatory 1242 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:12,980 claimed to have met eet the 1907 ski had 1243 00:56:16,930 --> 00:56:14,810 a United States government ordinance 1244 00:56:19,930 --> 00:56:16,940 passed which gave him access to a lot of 1245 00:56:22,810 --> 00:56:19,940 classified information and to military 1246 00:56:25,420 --> 00:56:22,820 bases throughout the world now we're not 1247 00:56:28,030 --> 00:56:25,430 talking here about the fact that he once 1248 00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:28,040 claimed to have this letter from someone 1249 00:56:36,340 --> 00:56:33,310 named strafe you know that was of course 1250 00:56:38,290 --> 00:56:36,350 of course we know what's bogus because 1251 00:56:40,990 --> 00:56:38,300 it was done by Jim Moses and gray barker 1252 00:56:43,650 --> 00:56:41,000 during some kind of drunken stupor all 1253 00:56:46,930 --> 00:56:43,660 right this comes it's kind of a strange 1254 00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:46,940 twist you also know that Adamski before 1255 00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:49,700 he wrote the part of the book that 1256 00:56:54,670 --> 00:56:52,100 discussed his contacts and flying 1257 00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:54,680 saucers have landed the second half of 1258 00:57:00,550 --> 00:56:57,890 the book that he had written a book some 1259 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:00,560 years earlier with a similar story only 1260 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:03,050 it was Jesus Christ a spaceship or 1261 00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:05,450 something no no story a fictional story 1262 00:57:12,910 --> 00:57:09,710 right yeah well do you think that tends 1263 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:12,920 to blend a little bit of suspicion as 1264 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:17,210 other a blend of truth and fiction and I 1265 00:57:21,580 --> 00:57:19,250 knew several of the witnesses who were 1266 00:57:27,730 --> 00:57:21,590 there when the craft landed in on 1267 00:57:30,010 --> 00:57:27,740 November 20th of 1952 and I can tell you 1268 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:30,020 that Adam ski was very well thought of 1269 00:57:35,590 --> 00:57:33,650 in United States military circles and he 1270 00:57:38,830 --> 00:57:35,600 gave a lot of information passed a lot 1271 00:57:42,609 --> 00:57:38,840 of information to at least one president 1272 00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:42,619 according to my information now in 1998 1273 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:46,609 I was invited to the defense airborne 1274 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:49,010 reconnaissance office in the Pentagon by 1275 00:57:56,380 --> 00:57:51,410 General Kenneth Israel who was then in 1276 00:57:58,420 --> 00:57:56,390 charge and it was only a half hour 1277 00:58:00,490 --> 00:57:58,430 meeting and he had several colleagues 1278 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:00,500 with him but he was very much in charge 1279 00:58:08,340 --> 00:58:04,130 and then he opened up the debate and I 1280 00:58:11,050 --> 00:58:08,350 talked about an event in Washington 1281 00:58:16,990 --> 00:58:11,060 outside Washington in in Silver Spring 1282 00:58:19,390 --> 00:58:17,000 Maryland in 1965 when the craft was 1283 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:19,400 actually photographed and and I had 1284 00:58:25,620 --> 00:58:22,570 given him a book in which several 1285 00:58:27,330 --> 00:58:25,630 images taken from that to a film are 1286 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:27,340 reproduced in the book it was then 1287 00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:29,170 called beyond top secret that was after 1288 00:58:33,660 --> 00:58:31,510 after well a little after above top 1289 00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:33,670 secret and he looked at this picture and 1290 00:58:39,390 --> 00:58:36,880 he indicated to me that they were 1291 00:58:43,230 --> 00:58:39,400 absolutely genuine and that the incident 1292 00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:43,240 did take place as described in the book 1293 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:46,300 and he was not really in a position to 1294 00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:48,610 make a fool of himself since he was in 1295 00:58:53,820 --> 00:58:51,190 charge of quite a few young people from 1296 00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:53,830 all the military forces who were there 1297 00:58:58,020 --> 00:58:56,110 at that meeting and in the defence 1298 00:59:00,120 --> 00:58:58,030 airborne reconnaissance August so he 1299 00:59:02,460 --> 00:59:00,130 took it very seriously well I tell you 1300 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:02,470 one thing though I looked at the photos 1301 00:59:08,430 --> 00:59:04,570 the George Adamski presented in flying 1302 00:59:11,490 --> 00:59:08,440 saucers have landed it and you know it 1303 00:59:15,150 --> 00:59:11,500 looked like GE light bulbs at the base 1304 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:15,160 of the UFO one of the more laughable 1305 00:59:19,230 --> 00:59:17,410 photos why would he do something like I 1306 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:19,240 don't find any of them laughable they've 1307 00:59:24,090 --> 00:59:22,570 all been confirmed by by my sources as 1308 00:59:25,980 --> 00:59:24,100 being absolutely genuine 1309 00:59:28,290 --> 00:59:25,990 well the sources I've read and they've 1310 00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,300 been very public sources such as the 1311 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:30,640 Adamski expose issue Jim Mosley 1312 00:59:36,860 --> 00:59:33,970 published back in the late 1950s show 1313 00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:36,870 that photo did not pass muster at all 1314 00:59:41,580 --> 00:59:39,910 it's funny that these craft have been 1315 00:59:43,350 --> 00:59:41,590 photographed elsewhere there are other 1316 00:59:45,540 --> 00:59:43,360 people some very clear pictures not as 1317 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:45,550 clear as Adam to Keith he took a lot of 1318 00:59:49,350 --> 00:59:47,650 pictures of other craft as well as I'm 1319 00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:49,360 sure you're aware through his various 1320 00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:52,390 telescopes and some very very clear 1321 00:59:56,730 --> 00:59:54,670 photographs in some of the larger 1322 00:59:59,220 --> 00:59:56,740 mothership and the smaller ones leaving 1323 01:00:01,530 --> 00:59:59,230 them well you know I beg to differ on 1324 01:00:03,180 --> 01:00:01,540 some of this because Ray Stanford who 1325 01:00:05,550 --> 01:00:03,190 spent a considerable amount of time then 1326 01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:05,560 both he and his twin brother Rex ray 1327 01:00:10,140 --> 01:00:07,030 caught him red-handed in his little 1328 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:10,150 photo lab and had him actually show him 1329 01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:12,010 how he got some of these objects to glow 1330 01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:17,440 in my mind yeah I would find that very 1331 01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:18,670 very suspicious 1332 01:00:26,450 --> 01:00:20,710 actually I didn't either believe Adams 1333 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:28,590 ray said that was the last time he ever 1334 01:00:32,550 --> 01:00:30,850 went into that little secret little 1335 01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:32,560 photo studio because he didn't want to 1336 01:00:35,830 --> 01:00:34,390 become a radiated and he was using 1337 01:00:38,170 --> 01:00:35,840 radioactive paint 1338 01:00:39,460 --> 01:00:38,180 actually to to make the famous shot of 1339 01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:39,470 the mothership with a small glowing 1340 01:00:44,860 --> 01:00:41,510 objects around it was actually done 1341 01:00:47,590 --> 01:00:44,870 using radium paint did he got anything 1342 01:00:50,020 --> 01:00:47,600 for my analog watch anybody like they 1343 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:50,030 look like if you're talking about the 1344 01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:52,370 illuminated vehicles that appear near 1345 01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:54,110 the motherships as always the pictures 1346 01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,950 you're talking about 1347 01:00:59,800 --> 01:00:56,480 correct the dark mothership of the 1348 01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,810 smaller lit objects around it now she 1349 01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,000 showed Rex and Rey how he how he did 1350 01:01:07,690 --> 01:01:04,240 that shot according to Stanford 1351 01:01:09,610 --> 01:01:07,700 according to Stanford yeah I don't think 1352 01:01:11,950 --> 01:01:09,620 I have a met met them I I certainly 1353 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:11,960 communicated with one of the Stanford 1354 01:01:17,230 --> 01:01:14,930 brothers they're probably ray Rex has 1355 01:01:20,650 --> 01:01:17,240 not allowed himself to be associated 1356 01:01:23,980 --> 01:01:20,660 with this field for many years right he 1357 01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:23,990 was I think the head of the psychology 1358 01:01:29,890 --> 01:01:27,200 chair out at Saint John's or he was 1359 01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:29,900 quite a well-respected along with 1360 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:32,000 Stanley quipping uh well respected 1361 01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:35,210 parapsychologist and is now retired but 1362 01:01:44,220 --> 01:01:38,480 boy I'll tell you just will not talk to 1363 01:01:48,550 --> 01:01:46,270 didn't they both have encounters 1364 01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:48,560 stanford brothers they did when they 1365 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:49,850 were very young yeah when they were 1366 01:01:59,530 --> 01:01:52,490 teenagers some pretty interesting 1367 01:02:06,430 --> 01:02:05,020 Audrey Ireland Corpus Christi I raised 1368 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:06,440 gotten quite a number of films and 1369 01:02:13,630 --> 01:02:08,210 photographs in the intervening years I 1370 01:02:15,970 --> 01:02:13,640 might add very impressive but one of the 1371 01:02:18,490 --> 01:02:15,980 things that he did was befriend of the 1372 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:18,500 contactees in the 50s Daniel Frye George 1373 01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:21,530 hunt Williamson and Truman bathroom and 1374 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:24,640 really checked him out closely and uh 1375 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:27,290 and he claims that he caught Adamski 1376 01:02:34,270 --> 01:02:31,010 red-handed in his photograph with his 1377 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:34,280 photographic equipment set up well it 1378 01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:36,530 seems to me well I'll tell you what 1379 01:02:40,780 --> 01:02:38,240 we're going to agree to disagree about 1380 01:02:43,390 --> 01:02:40,790 George Adamski Kris and I don't buy it 1381 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:43,400 you do let's move on because the 1382 01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:46,130 original question Tim was about things 1383 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:48,710 that you accept is possibly genuine 1384 01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:49,290 early 1385 01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:52,740 later he became skeptical is mj-12 and 1386 01:02:57,740 --> 01:02:55,260 the mj-12 documents one of those exhales 1387 01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:57,750 I I was the first to release the 1388 01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:01,680 document if you recall and Bill Moore 1389 01:03:05,570 --> 01:03:03,660 released it shortly afterwards in the 1390 01:03:08,090 --> 01:03:05,580 United States I released it in my book 1391 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:08,100 above top secret as you may well be 1392 01:03:12,620 --> 01:03:10,890 aware and I think the document and I've 1393 01:03:16,310 --> 01:03:12,630 stated as much in the book is probably 1394 01:03:19,580 --> 01:03:16,320 fraudulent but I think essentially the 1395 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:19,590 information therein is is correct so it 1396 01:03:27,230 --> 01:03:23,370 is somebody's done a job of all sort of 1397 01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:27,240 I don't know getting the information and 1398 01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:29,220 putting it out in such a way that some 1399 01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:30,480 people might think that their genuine 1400 01:03:34,850 --> 01:03:31,980 documents I don't think they're 1401 01:03:37,250 --> 01:03:34,860 legitimate document we have 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natural healing using 1512 01:07:50,350 --> 01:07:46,560 colloidal silver colloidal gold minerals 1513 01:07:53,330 --> 01:07:50,360 vitamins and herbs utopia silver calm 1514 01:07:55,690 --> 01:07:53,340 we'd like to hear from you if you have a 1515 01:07:59,019 --> 01:07:55,700 comment or question about the power 1516 01:08:02,650 --> 01:07:59,029 sent it to news at the para caste calm 1517 01:08:04,750 --> 01:08:02,660 that's news at the para caste calm and 1518 01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:04,760 don't forget to visit our famous para 1519 01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:07,910 caste community forums at forum dot the 1520 01:08:14,049 --> 01:08:12,319 para caste calm with Jean and Chris in 1521 01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:14,059 the para caste we have Timothy good long 1522 01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:17,870 time UFO investigator and obviously we 1523 01:08:20,140 --> 01:08:19,670 disagree with him about some things but 1524 01:08:23,140 --> 01:08:20,150 ok 1525 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:23,150 the mj-12 even if the information on 1526 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:26,449 those documents were accurate why would 1527 01:08:32,499 --> 01:08:28,489 you fake the documents wouldn't you then 1528 01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:32,509 cast some kind of level of skepticism 1529 01:08:36,610 --> 01:08:35,210 upon the whole thing well I think when I 1530 01:08:39,220 --> 01:08:36,620 published them I was the first to 1531 01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:39,230 publish them right have a look at the 1532 01:08:45,130 --> 01:08:42,409 above top secret okay but the point 1533 01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:45,140 being here is if the information is 1534 01:08:50,410 --> 01:08:48,319 genuine why not just get real documents 1535 01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:50,420 if they exist and prove it why create 1536 01:08:55,090 --> 01:08:54,710 faked a hard lesson I'd like to get them 1537 01:08:58,269 --> 01:08:55,100 for me 1538 01:09:00,220 --> 01:08:58,279 they must have there must be some well 1539 01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:00,230 you know Stan Freedman still believes it 1540 01:09:04,090 --> 01:09:02,210 do you think he's gone I know I know he 1541 01:09:09,070 --> 01:09:04,100 thinks those documents are absolutely 1542 01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,080 real but I don't share that view no they 1543 01:09:14,649 --> 01:09:11,839 might well have been copied and made up 1544 01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,659 with one or two things well it's very 1545 01:09:19,899 --> 01:09:16,880 artful disinformation at the very least 1546 01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:19,909 yeah yeah I'm just still reeling over 1547 01:09:24,459 --> 01:09:22,489 the the Italian guy and his German 1548 01:09:27,519 --> 01:09:24,469 friend taking a trip on a flying saucer 1549 01:09:29,979 --> 01:09:27,529 I mean that lucky guys I know were these 1550 01:09:31,780 --> 01:09:29,989 aliens that he was interacting with was 1551 01:09:36,700 --> 01:09:31,790 this part of that famous case in the 50s 1552 01:09:39,070 --> 01:09:36,710 so of the community of of nonhumans that 1553 01:09:41,050 --> 01:09:39,080 was kind of living there I think in 1554 01:09:46,899 --> 01:09:41,060 where North what would be with 1555 01:09:48,220 --> 01:09:46,909 northeastern Italy yeah some of them 1556 01:09:49,780 --> 01:09:48,230 were there for decades and they were 1557 01:09:52,749 --> 01:09:49,790 they were having meetings with people 1558 01:09:56,500 --> 01:09:52,759 from all walks of life you know three 1559 01:09:59,040 --> 01:09:56,510 guys few politicians scientists people 1560 01:10:01,149 --> 01:09:59,050 from from many different professions and 1561 01:10:03,820 --> 01:10:01,159 Stefano I would have you know I would 1562 01:10:07,060 --> 01:10:03,830 have put total faith in him sadly as I 1563 01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:07,070 say he died about two years ago but he 1564 01:10:09,340 --> 01:10:08,239 was one of the most remarkable 1565 01:10:11,580 --> 01:10:09,350 individuals 1566 01:10:14,740 --> 01:10:11,590 I've ever met and he had lengthy 1567 01:10:16,420 --> 01:10:14,750 experience is I think he only went once 1568 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:16,430 up in the craft and he'd been a pilot 1569 01:10:23,260 --> 01:10:18,890 and he thought he found it extremely 1570 01:10:25,180 --> 01:10:23,270 boring the German pilot who everything 1571 01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:25,190 was being monitored allegedly by the 1572 01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:27,440 aliens from from a distance in case 1573 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:29,120 anything went wrong but they took a 1574 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:33,010 flight from Italy to Cairo and back and 1575 01:10:37,690 --> 01:10:35,570 Steffen nervous just sort of taking 1576 01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:37,700 notes and I said it I found it very 1577 01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:43,280 boring much prefer flying airplane it 1578 01:10:50,740 --> 01:10:47,810 goes too fast well I don't know what to 1579 01:10:53,620 --> 01:10:50,750 say that well I'll tell you you sure 1580 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:53,630 find some pretty interesting sounding 1581 01:10:57,490 --> 01:10:55,850 people with interesting sounding 1582 01:11:03,580 --> 01:10:57,500 experiences I got to give you that to 1583 01:11:06,910 --> 01:11:03,590 him okay but let's move on here okay now 1584 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:06,920 obviously and we return to the original 1585 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:09,650 story about hybrid aliens meaning us 1586 01:11:15,010 --> 01:11:12,650 harm obviously this is the most 1587 01:11:17,860 --> 01:11:15,020 important story it exceeds Obamacare 1588 01:11:20,650 --> 01:11:17,870 seeds the world economy it's sometimes 1589 01:11:25,900 --> 01:11:20,660 fun to change things overnight so how do 1590 01:11:27,970 --> 01:11:25,910 we actually prove it well I Tom you know 1591 01:11:31,390 --> 01:11:27,980 dig up some of these alien guys and get 1592 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:31,400 them to spill the beans you can't prove 1593 01:11:34,300 --> 01:11:31,730 it 1594 01:11:35,980 --> 01:11:34,310 they're not about to do that and I have 1595 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:35,990 no idea if they're still around I have 1596 01:11:41,050 --> 01:11:38,810 no idea what the situation is now all 1597 01:11:42,940 --> 01:11:41,060 because we just don't get information in 1598 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:42,950 real time at least I don't you know and 1599 01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:45,050 this information is decades old in any 1600 01:11:50,110 --> 01:11:47,600 case but I do have a lot of information 1601 01:11:54,430 --> 01:11:50,120 and allegedly according to my 1602 01:11:58,840 --> 01:11:54,440 information that the alien hybridization 1603 01:12:01,060 --> 01:11:58,850 process has succeeded to a certain point 1604 01:12:03,370 --> 01:12:01,070 I've got a lot of lot of information 1605 01:12:06,850 --> 01:12:03,380 which are published in the last chapter 1606 01:12:09,610 --> 01:12:06,860 of my book a great deal of information 1607 01:12:13,180 --> 01:12:09,620 about them okay so there's a human-alien 1608 01:12:15,940 --> 01:12:13,190 hybrid and it's mixing tell you what 1609 01:12:17,950 --> 01:12:15,950 I've been told is that they they have 1610 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:17,960 this plan it's a hundred year plans 1611 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:21,410 starting in the 1940s they have a 1612 01:12:26,030 --> 01:12:22,890 hundred year plan 1613 01:12:28,730 --> 01:12:26,040 to try and produce a hybridized species 1614 01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:28,740 the mixture of human and then these 1615 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:33,510 these critters and what I can say is 1616 01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:36,570 that relating to the alien hybridization 1617 01:12:41,060 --> 01:12:38,820 process what I've learned is that the 1618 01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:41,070 wombs of their females are much smaller 1619 01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:43,290 than those with humans just unable to 1620 01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:45,930 accommodate transgenic fetuses for more 1621 01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:48,450 than two months hence human worms were 1622 01:12:53,090 --> 01:12:51,030 favored cross-species copulation was 1623 01:12:55,460 --> 01:12:53,100 very seldom employed since the alien 1624 01:12:58,520 --> 01:12:55,470 male organs were too soft thus 1625 01:13:00,590 --> 01:12:58,530 artificial insemination prevailed the 1626 01:13:02,540 --> 01:13:00,600 fetus is extracted prematurely after the 1627 01:13:04,970 --> 01:13:02,550 two-month period were nurtured somehow 1628 01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:04,980 until reaching term at seven months in 1629 01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:07,140 addition to their crossbreeding 1630 01:13:12,140 --> 01:13:09,530 experiments I was told these aliens 1631 01:13:15,020 --> 01:13:12,150 supposedly had experimented with various 1632 01:13:18,350 --> 01:13:15,030 types of bacteria and viruses which gave 1633 01:13:20,510 --> 01:13:18,360 rise to concern though generally thinner 1634 01:13:22,820 --> 01:13:20,520 and shorter and with somewhat larger 1635 01:13:26,180 --> 01:13:22,830 heads and eyes the hybridized men and 1636 01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:26,190 women appeared human some of both sexes 1637 01:13:31,340 --> 01:13:28,310 appeared well-formed even good-looking 1638 01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:31,350 however at that time anyway I was told 1639 01:13:36,110 --> 01:13:34,080 they were unable to vocalize as we do 1640 01:13:38,750 --> 01:13:36,120 owing to underdeveloped tongues and 1641 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:38,760 larynxes by way of food they consumed 1642 01:13:42,740 --> 01:13:41,010 nothing solid some of these hybrids 1643 01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:42,750 lived in the alien spaces on earth 1644 01:13:48,170 --> 01:13:44,880 others elsewhere including their own 1645 01:13:49,490 --> 01:13:48,180 planets only a few lived among us the 1646 01:13:50,930 --> 01:13:49,500 aliens were reckoned it would take 1647 01:13:53,780 --> 01:13:50,940 around a hundred years for them to 1648 01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,790 infiltrate our planet the theory being 1649 01:13:58,970 --> 01:13:55,920 based on what you're saying Tim is that 1650 01:14:03,020 --> 01:13:58,980 over time as they perfect this 1651 01:14:05,650 --> 01:14:03,030 hybridization process we have alien 1652 01:14:08,300 --> 01:14:05,660 hybrids who would be visually at least 1653 01:14:11,020 --> 01:14:08,310 indistinguishable from humans that's the 1654 01:14:14,990 --> 01:14:11,030 object of the exercise okay so therefore 1655 01:14:18,140 --> 01:14:15,000 by another 20-30 years it comes to pass 1656 01:14:21,260 --> 01:14:18,150 well as I say it started they had a 1657 01:14:23,930 --> 01:14:21,270 hundred year plan maximum starting in 1658 01:14:27,410 --> 01:14:23,940 the 1940s so you know I didn't know 1659 01:14:29,150 --> 01:14:27,420 let's wait and see well get any more 1660 01:14:30,590 --> 01:14:29,160 information which which I don't have and 1661 01:14:32,690 --> 01:14:30,600 all that information is out of date 1662 01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:32,700 anyway well if they're trying to make 1663 01:14:42,330 --> 01:14:35,710 the human race less violent 1664 01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:42,340 not doing a very good job which is what 1665 01:14:46,979 --> 01:14:44,080 I pointed out that pointed out 1666 01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,989 sarcastically right well what about the 1667 01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:48,400 cattle mutilation phenomenon I'm 1668 01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:50,110 thumping the finishing touches on the 1669 01:14:56,690 --> 01:14:52,239 first real case history well again they 1670 01:15:01,500 --> 01:14:56,700 required obviously something is required 1671 01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:01,510 materials from from cattle and and other 1672 01:15:08,190 --> 01:15:05,520 animals so you agree with the house 1673 01:15:10,020 --> 01:15:08,200 assertions that the single 1674 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:10,030 one-size-fits-all answer to that 1675 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:12,010 particular mystery here is some sort of 1676 01:15:19,410 --> 01:15:14,650 non-human intelligence that's but you 1677 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:19,420 know predating on cattle yeah I don't 1678 01:15:25,650 --> 01:15:22,930 know it was still going on I the farmers 1679 01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:25,660 sort of less inclined to talk these days 1680 01:15:28,590 --> 01:15:26,650 so I'm told 1681 01:15:30,270 --> 01:15:28,600 so I have no idea I don't know if you 1682 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:30,280 have any updates on that you don't hear 1683 01:15:36,330 --> 01:15:32,890 much about cattle mutilations do oh yeah 1684 01:15:40,350 --> 01:15:36,340 I'm funny I'm finishing up a 500 page 1685 01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:40,360 book on it so somebody's open fake gosh 1686 01:15:44,430 --> 01:15:42,130 I'll be the first to buy a coffee yeah 1687 01:15:48,690 --> 01:15:44,440 I've been working on it since I met you 1688 01:15:50,670 --> 01:15:48,700 20 years ago and it's it's looking at it 1689 01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,680 as objectively and is from a objective 1690 01:15:55,470 --> 01:15:52,960 neutral place as possible without 1691 01:15:58,020 --> 01:15:55,480 jumping to 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1802 01:20:58,770 --> 01:20:55,350 this is Jacques Vallee 1803 01:21:06,450 --> 01:20:58,780 you're listening to the podcast the gold 1804 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:06,460 standard of paranormal radio on the 1805 01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:08,650 power cast with Jean Steinberg and Chris 1806 01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:11,289 O'Brien and Timothy cajones us written 1807 01:21:16,739 --> 01:21:14,650 above top secret and other books now the 1808 01:21:19,020 --> 01:21:16,749 book that Chris is working on is called 1809 01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:19,030 stalking the herd we're currently 1810 01:21:22,890 --> 01:21:21,280 looking at the layout and design of the 1811 01:21:25,109 --> 01:21:22,900 book gonna look really good really 1812 01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:25,119 elegant when you get a copy but Chris 1813 01:21:30,930 --> 01:21:27,760 your conclusion here is that it's not an 1814 01:21:34,350 --> 01:21:30,940 ET related phenomenon cattle mutilations 1815 01:21:36,689 --> 01:21:34,360 right well I would probably have that at 1816 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:36,699 the bottom of my list yeah I I think 1817 01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:38,650 there's a lot more going on that's much 1818 01:21:44,219 --> 01:21:42,159 more homespun I think there's some very 1819 01:21:47,759 --> 01:21:44,229 serious environmental monitoring going 1820 01:21:50,969 --> 01:21:47,769 on I think that there's a real concern 1821 01:21:52,649 --> 01:21:50,979 within big a grove about the potential 1822 01:21:54,810 --> 01:21:52,659 spread of prion disease in the food 1823 01:21:57,540 --> 01:21:54,820 chain I think that's a motivating factor 1824 01:21:59,129 --> 01:21:57,550 I think there the body of evidence that 1825 01:22:00,959 --> 01:21:59,139 once you put all these databases 1826 01:22:02,549 --> 01:22:00,969 together the body of evidence really 1827 01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:02,559 suggests that there's multiple groups 1828 01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:05,760 involved that this is not an easy 1829 01:22:11,549 --> 01:22:08,650 one-size-fits-all answer to this mystery 1830 01:22:13,649 --> 01:22:11,559 that it's highly complicated there's 1831 01:22:15,359 --> 01:22:13,659 probably multiple groups piggybacking 1832 01:22:19,169 --> 01:22:15,369 agendas on top of one another 1833 01:22:22,109 --> 01:22:19,179 I can't factor the alien the 1834 01:22:23,759 --> 01:22:22,119 extra-terrestrial hypothesis in regards 1835 01:22:25,979 --> 01:22:23,769 to this this mystery I can't factor it 1836 01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:25,989 out but like I said it would be the 1837 01:22:31,589 --> 01:22:28,320 least likely one that I would factor in 1838 01:22:33,839 --> 01:22:31,599 okay but we'll see I'll just let 1839 01:22:35,489 --> 01:22:33,849 everybody come to their own conclusions 1840 01:22:38,009 --> 01:22:35,499 because I tell you there's a lot of 1841 01:22:40,819 --> 01:22:38,019 information there's those areas of high 1842 01:22:45,049 --> 01:22:40,829 incidents that feature Bigfoot before 1843 01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:45,059 mutilation starts the proximity around 1844 01:22:51,689 --> 01:22:48,729 nuclear materials uranium mines power 1845 01:22:55,169 --> 01:22:51,699 plants missile bases over 80 mutilations 1846 01:22:57,390 --> 01:22:55,179 occurred within the amounts from missile 1847 01:22:59,520 --> 01:22:57,400 fields in the mid to late 70s for 1848 01:23:03,209 --> 01:22:59,530 instance Warren Air Force Base off it I 1849 01:23:04,380 --> 01:23:03,219 mean the list of bases I mean one right 1850 01:23:06,210 --> 01:23:04,390 outside literally 1851 01:23:10,050 --> 01:23:06,220 inside of the door of NORAD's entrance 1852 01:23:14,660 --> 01:23:10,060 into Cheyenne Mountain it's it's an 1853 01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:14,670 amazing complicated subject and I again 1854 01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:18,370 it's a lot of myth outs when you collide 1855 01:23:24,690 --> 01:23:20,800 - at one stage I'm sure you recall all 1856 01:23:25,950 --> 01:23:24,700 round yeah I I wouldn't say a lot but 1857 01:23:28,590 --> 01:23:25,960 yeah there were definitely some 1858 01:23:30,540 --> 01:23:28,600 shutdowns including as recently as 2010 1859 01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:30,550 according to Robert hasting Robert 1860 01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:31,930 Hastings was written an excellent book 1861 01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:35,650 as you know I talked about it yeah he 1862 01:23:41,220 --> 01:23:38,110 lives in the San Luis Valley now he goes 1863 01:23:43,260 --> 01:23:41,230 you know in a very remote part of it 1864 01:23:45,570 --> 01:23:43,270 underneath always up north Doug with a 1865 01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:45,580 bird's-eye view of the entire southern 1866 01:23:50,190 --> 01:23:48,280 three-quarters valley yeah beautiful 1867 01:23:53,670 --> 01:23:50,200 spot beautiful spot 1868 01:23:55,950 --> 01:23:53,680 well I again I'm uh you know I'm I'm 1869 01:23:58,500 --> 01:23:55,960 jealous I I want to take a ride on a 1870 01:24:00,000 --> 01:23:58,510 spaceship Jean oh man that would be the 1871 01:24:00,660 --> 01:24:00,010 thrill of a lifetime boy I'd make all 1872 01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:00,670 this worthwhile 1873 01:24:07,290 --> 01:24:04,180 yes but look at it this way what if et 1874 01:24:10,530 --> 01:24:07,300 decided to create a hybrid version of 1875 01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:10,540 Chris O'Brien it wouldn't be the biggest 1876 01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:12,580 nightmare of all other than making a 1877 01:24:16,260 --> 01:24:14,650 hybrid version of me making a hybrid 1878 01:24:19,730 --> 01:24:16,270 version of Timothy good on the other 1879 01:24:22,140 --> 01:24:19,740 hand that would be fine yeah 1880 01:24:24,750 --> 01:24:22,150 Boyd - am you running around that's a 1881 01:24:27,420 --> 01:24:24,760 scary thought well maybe that's what's 1882 01:24:30,770 --> 01:24:27,430 going on in this TV show Marvel's agents 1883 01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:30,780 of shield where Agent Coulson was killed 1884 01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:34,450 in the movie The Avengers but now he 1885 01:24:43,770 --> 01:24:38,610 seems to be alive so what's going on I 1886 01:24:46,140 --> 01:24:43,780 don't know but speaking of new news show 1887 01:24:50,850 --> 01:24:46,150 so would anybody see that new show with 1888 01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:50,860 uh Darrell and Mike Mike bara Maureen 1889 01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:55,810 Elsberry I think and isn't who else is 1890 01:24:59,880 --> 01:24:57,610 in that gene did you see that that show 1891 01:25:02,070 --> 01:24:59,890 which show is this it was on Sunday 1892 01:25:05,250 --> 01:25:02,080 night called it's like the latest 1893 01:25:06,030 --> 01:25:05,260 chasing UFO show Derrel Sims I believe 1894 01:25:08,190 --> 01:25:06,040 is in it 1895 01:25:10,020 --> 01:25:08,200 Mike Dara Marine Ellsbury down from the 1896 01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:10,030 open minds clue you know what I never 1897 01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:12,480 watched those shows for one reason after 1898 01:25:17,500 --> 01:25:15,770 chasing UFOs I was jaded 1899 01:25:20,440 --> 01:25:17,510 in fact they should have a new show 1900 01:25:21,940 --> 01:25:20,450 called jaded UFOs for people who are 1901 01:25:25,660 --> 01:25:21,950 sick of the whole thing especially the 1902 01:25:29,050 --> 01:25:25,670 reality shows yeah so no I didn't I did 1903 01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:29,060 it all okay just checking it's I haven't 1904 01:25:33,070 --> 01:25:30,800 heard any feedback from its side I'm not 1905 01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:33,080 sure if that's a good thing or it was 1906 01:25:39,610 --> 01:25:36,800 just on Sunday but we we are getting off 1907 01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:39,620 topic here okay 1908 01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:41,120 topic but let me get started with 1909 01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:43,190 something else which our listeners might 1910 01:25:48,370 --> 01:25:45,410 want to know about Timothy good have you 1911 01:25:50,020 --> 01:25:48,380 experienced anything unusual personally 1912 01:25:52,300 --> 01:25:50,030 you seem to have access to all sorts of 1913 01:25:54,910 --> 01:25:52,310 information we can argue how authentic 1914 01:25:57,580 --> 01:25:54,920 that information might be but if you had 1915 01:26:01,120 --> 01:25:57,590 a UFO or other paranormal type encounter 1916 01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:01,130 I've never seen a UFO up-close my 1917 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:03,530 sightings occur like once every 15 years 1918 01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:05,930 and it's usually a top of something in 1919 01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:09,530 the sky so I've I've not seen a UFO 1920 01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:11,920 close up however I have had three 1921 01:26:18,430 --> 01:26:15,530 encounters with people I believe were 1922 01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:18,440 aliens and the first of in 1963 when I 1923 01:26:24,910 --> 01:26:21,440 was touring the United States with the 1924 01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:24,920 Royal Philharmonic Orchestra it wasn't 1925 01:26:34,990 --> 01:26:29,570 long after Kennedy's assassination we 1926 01:26:38,740 --> 01:26:35,000 were driving from Tucson to Los Angeles 1927 01:26:42,490 --> 01:26:38,750 about 520 miles I think in a convoy of 1928 01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,500 three Greyhound type coaches and they 1929 01:26:48,450 --> 01:26:44,560 kindly gave us one hour break on that 1930 01:26:50,980 --> 01:26:48,460 520 mile trip to get some food and we 1931 01:26:52,930 --> 01:26:50,990 pulled in as a diner on everything we 1932 01:26:56,350 --> 01:26:52,940 were there for one hour and I saw 1933 01:26:59,170 --> 01:26:56,360 somebody waiting in line who immediately 1934 01:27:02,500 --> 01:26:59,180 alerted my attention and this was a very 1935 01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:02,510 petite very attractive woman something 1936 01:27:08,980 --> 01:27:05,600 extraordinarily alert about her and so 1937 01:27:10,900 --> 01:27:08,990 in my mind I sent her a telepathic 1938 01:27:13,390 --> 01:27:10,910 message if you're from elsewhere is 1939 01:27:15,940 --> 01:27:13,400 there any way you can walk by my table 1940 01:27:18,220 --> 01:27:15,950 and prove it well I was with three other 1941 01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:18,230 colleagues he was sitting on sharing a 1942 01:27:23,020 --> 01:27:20,930 table eating our food and she after 1943 01:27:24,700 --> 01:27:23,030 she'd got through the line she made a 1944 01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:24,710 point of coming past me gave a 1945 01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:27,890 fantastically low gracious bow smiled 1946 01:27:32,650 --> 01:27:29,450 sweetly and then what 1947 01:27:34,570 --> 01:27:32,660 walked away was that convincing well it 1948 01:27:36,490 --> 01:27:34,580 was I mean even my colleagues thought it 1949 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:36,500 was unusual and you know they wanted 1950 01:27:42,130 --> 01:27:38,810 what's that all about Tim sort of thing 1951 01:27:43,540 --> 01:27:42,140 you know but more convincing was in 1967 1952 01:27:47,140 --> 01:27:43,550 when I was working with another 1953 01:27:48,820 --> 01:27:47,150 Orchestra Carnegie Hall this time in the 1954 01:27:50,740 --> 01:27:48,830 London Symphony Orchestra and one 1955 01:27:52,450 --> 01:27:50,750 afternoon I I thought I'd just sit down 1956 01:27:55,090 --> 01:27:52,460 quietly in the lobby of the Park 1957 01:27:56,980 --> 01:27:55,100 Sheraton Hotel as it was then called and 1958 01:27:59,770 --> 01:27:56,990 ice I sent out some telepathic thoughts 1959 01:28:03,610 --> 01:27:59,780 do any of you guys in the New York area 1960 01:28:06,730 --> 01:28:03,620 could you come down whatever sit down 1961 01:28:08,980 --> 01:28:06,740 next to me and prove it so about half an 1962 01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:08,990 hour went by and finally a man comes in 1963 01:28:15,190 --> 01:28:12,110 immaculee dressed about 5 foot 10 pale 1964 01:28:17,980 --> 01:28:15,200 all his complexion very cool calm and 1965 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:17,990 collected looking absolutely immaculate 1966 01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:21,050 he's closing in everything and he looked 1967 01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:23,930 at me curiously when he came and sat 1968 01:28:29,260 --> 01:28:26,810 down beside me rifle right I'm going to 1969 01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:29,270 ask him something telepathically so in 1970 01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:31,130 my mind I said if you're the guy I'm 1971 01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:33,110 looking for would you take your right 1972 01:28:37,060 --> 01:28:34,970 index finger and hold it to the right 1973 01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:37,070 side of your nose and keep it there and 1974 01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:40,010 no sooner had I thought that and he did 1975 01:28:44,140 --> 01:28:41,810 exactly that and he kept his finger on 1976 01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:44,150 the right side of his nose for not that 1977 01:28:49,480 --> 01:28:46,400 long a time but and then people say why 1978 01:28:50,770 --> 01:28:49,490 don't you talk to them well I didn't and 1979 01:28:52,270 --> 01:28:50,780 I didn't feel it was appropriate I 1980 01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:52,280 thought if he'd wanted to talk he could 1981 01:28:57,250 --> 01:28:55,040 have spoken but he didn't and eventually 1982 01:28:59,160 --> 01:28:57,260 he just walked out into 7 2000 year and 1983 01:29:01,960 --> 01:28:59,170 I never saw him again 1984 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:01,970 capture about 9 years ago which was my 1985 01:29:09,130 --> 01:29:05,930 last encounter I was big guest of honor 1986 01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:09,140 the speaker at a prestigious debating 1987 01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:13,970 fellow in rock bath in Poland and it was 1988 01:29:20,020 --> 01:29:16,730 the first time that the subject of UFOs 1989 01:29:21,970 --> 01:29:20,030 have been brought up and I there was a 1990 01:29:24,250 --> 01:29:21,980 lot of controversy about it this is I 1991 01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:24,260 say a very prestigious debating salon 1992 01:29:28,210 --> 01:29:25,520 there were people there retired 1993 01:29:33,250 --> 01:29:28,220 politicians military guys military 1994 01:29:36,970 --> 01:29:33,260 pilots professors from universities 1995 01:29:38,830 --> 01:29:36,980 retired from some still working people 1996 01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:38,840 from all walks of life but about about 1997 01:29:43,210 --> 01:29:42,530 7075 in the audience and I was the guest 1998 01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:43,220 of honor 1999 01:29:50,860 --> 01:29:45,890 I gave my presentation with slides and 2000 01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:50,870 then I've noticed throughout the evening 2001 01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:52,250 because it was quite a long evening it 2002 01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:54,650 started at 7:00 and ended just after 11 2003 01:29:59,500 --> 01:29:57,440 o'clock but I only had to speak for 35 2004 01:30:02,830 --> 01:29:59,510 minutes with slides and so forth I 2005 01:30:05,610 --> 01:30:02,840 noticed this guy sitting not that far 2006 01:30:08,050 --> 01:30:05,620 away from me immaculately dressed 2007 01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:08,060 similar in some respects of a guy of 2008 01:30:13,780 --> 01:30:12,170 Tina in New York in 1967 and I tried a 2009 01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:13,790 bit of telepathy there was no absolutely 2010 01:30:20,850 --> 01:30:18,170 no response whatsoever but I then in the 2011 01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:20,860 interval people say Tim why don't you 2012 01:30:24,670 --> 01:30:22,880 take some try and get some photographs 2013 01:30:27,580 --> 01:30:24,680 of these guys you say you having 2014 01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:27,590 encounters with so I actually tried so 2015 01:30:31,420 --> 01:30:29,330 he tried but we got to try this first 2016 01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:31,430 Tim good joins Jean and Kris you're in 2017 01:30:42,090 --> 01:30:38,479 [Music] 2018 01:30:43,260 --> 01:30:42,100 from our family to yours have a very 2019 01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:43,270 Merry Christmas 2020 01:30:50,130 --> 01:30:45,610 we are the genesis communications 2021 01:30:51,570 --> 01:30:50,140 network G C n first game attack of the 2022 01:30:53,610 --> 01:30:51,580 rock codes and it was a critically 2023 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01:34:57,179 [Music] 2121 01:35:08,520 --> 01:34:59,310 hi my name is Richard Dolan you're 2122 01:35:14,260 --> 01:35:11,470 so Timothy good tells Jean and Chris he 2123 01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:14,270 actually tried to take photographs of 2124 01:35:20,169 --> 01:35:17,690 these strange people that he met what 2125 01:35:22,930 --> 01:35:20,179 happened well I started taking 2126 01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:22,940 photographs in three parts because it 2127 01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,449 was a it was a large room and I had been 2128 01:35:31,180 --> 01:35:28,400 a min on camera I did you know just a 2129 01:35:32,770 --> 01:35:31,190 pocket type camera I didn't use my large 2130 01:35:34,899 --> 01:35:32,780 camera I didn't want to be too obvious 2131 01:35:36,610 --> 01:35:34,909 so noticed I took two photographs on the 2132 01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:36,620 right side people were just coming back 2133 01:35:40,180 --> 01:35:38,000 from the break and then the central 2134 01:35:42,189 --> 01:35:40,190 section then I was about to take a 2135 01:35:45,129 --> 01:35:42,199 picture of the area where he was sitting 2136 01:35:47,110 --> 01:35:45,139 when the voice came out from nowhere a 2137 01:35:48,370 --> 01:35:47,120 huge booming voice came out from the 2138 01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:48,380 back of the room saying the speaker's 2139 01:35:52,330 --> 01:35:50,570 not allowed to take photographs and I 2140 01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:52,340 couldn't see who had said that or 2141 01:35:56,350 --> 01:35:54,560 anything so I thought oh okay I just I 2142 01:35:59,410 --> 01:35:56,360 could just apologize to whoever or 2143 01:36:01,419 --> 01:35:59,420 whatever anyway cut to the end of the 2144 01:36:03,310 --> 01:36:01,429 whole proceedings because people could 2145 01:36:05,169 --> 01:36:03,320 sort of stand up and make comments about 2146 01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:05,179 this and that relating to the subject 2147 01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:06,560 they could talk for about I think after 2148 01:36:09,550 --> 01:36:08,090 about six seven minutes something like 2149 01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:09,560 that the last person to speak because 2150 01:36:15,340 --> 01:36:13,070 this guy who I'd had my eye on and the 2151 01:36:18,270 --> 01:36:15,350 subject of his presentation was Earth's 2152 01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:18,280 future in space 2153 01:36:25,810 --> 01:36:23,170 naturally I was all ears and eyes and 2154 01:36:28,300 --> 01:36:25,820 that was the end of the presentation and 2155 01:36:29,860 --> 01:36:28,310 he walked slowly towards me afterwards 2156 01:36:31,689 --> 01:36:29,870 he's been obviously gonna pass by where 2157 01:36:33,689 --> 01:36:31,699 where I was I went to shake his hand he 2158 01:36:36,070 --> 01:36:33,699 shook my hand but but there was no 2159 01:36:38,050 --> 01:36:36,080 strength that at all it was completely 2160 01:36:40,660 --> 01:36:38,060 limp handshake and he looked at me 2161 01:36:43,180 --> 01:36:40,670 completely unblinking like a zombie he 2162 01:36:45,070 --> 01:36:43,190 did not answer my question I I'd said to 2163 01:36:47,370 --> 01:36:45,080 him I think you have a great deal of 2164 01:36:50,379 --> 01:36:47,380 knowledge he said absolutely nothing and 2165 01:36:53,350 --> 01:36:50,389 it was a very I mean it was a completely 2166 01:36:55,660 --> 01:36:53,360 wet handshake nothing no no no grip of 2167 01:36:57,990 --> 01:36:55,670 any sort forever I gave him my business 2168 01:37:01,240 --> 01:36:58,000 card and then he just walked away 2169 01:37:02,530 --> 01:37:01,250 fast-forward five minutes I was meeting 2170 01:37:04,629 --> 01:37:02,540 my friends because they were taking me 2171 01:37:08,410 --> 01:37:04,639 back to this hotel you know in a lovely 2172 01:37:12,010 --> 01:37:08,420 old converted castle and outside drops 2173 01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:12,020 Park in Poland and I said who is that 2174 01:37:15,610 --> 01:37:14,239 guy that was the last person to speak he 2175 01:37:17,050 --> 01:37:15,620 said oh he's very interesting he always 2176 01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:17,060 has something very interesting to say 2177 01:37:21,490 --> 01:37:19,280 because but my people who were putting 2178 01:37:25,930 --> 01:37:21,500 me up in their hotel went to these 2179 01:37:27,340 --> 01:37:25,940 monthly debates regularly instead always 2180 01:37:30,340 --> 01:37:27,350 though he's always got something very 2181 01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:30,350 interesting to say I said yes what is 2182 01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:32,570 what did he actually talk about and they 2183 01:37:37,330 --> 01:37:34,370 said oh yes it was about our future in 2184 01:37:40,270 --> 01:37:37,340 space I said yes but what did he say 2185 01:37:43,090 --> 01:37:40,280 none of us that was about a group of ten 2186 01:37:46,150 --> 01:37:43,100 of us could remember anything about what 2187 01:37:49,540 --> 01:37:46,160 he'd said even though we were we were 2188 01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:49,550 called it at the time now this was 2189 01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:54,050 absolutely bizarre I tried to cut a long 2190 01:38:00,130 --> 01:37:56,570 story short I tried to get an audio that 2191 01:38:02,710 --> 01:38:00,140 the speaker is supposed by contract to 2192 01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:02,720 have photographs of the event including 2193 01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:06,050 the audience supposed to get a audio 2194 01:38:13,180 --> 01:38:11,090 tape of the presentation of all the all 2195 01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:13,190 the speakers everything I got nothing I 2196 01:38:16,990 --> 01:38:15,290 could get nothing I couldn't get any 2197 01:38:17,860 --> 01:38:17,000 photographs that were taken there and 2198 01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:17,870 there was a professional photographer 2199 01:38:25,330 --> 01:38:21,650 there I could get nothing nobody could 2200 01:38:27,370 --> 01:38:25,340 remember what this guy had said I could 2201 01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:27,380 not get in touch with anybody who was in 2202 01:38:32,380 --> 01:38:30,320 organizing the debate so it remains a 2203 01:38:33,970 --> 01:38:32,390 complete mystery I sure hope I shall 2204 01:38:36,730 --> 01:38:33,980 never get to the bottom of it probably 2205 01:38:38,350 --> 01:38:36,740 but that that's exactly what happened do 2206 01:38:41,410 --> 01:38:38,360 you think we're talking about some kind 2207 01:38:43,660 --> 01:38:41,420 of mind control here definitely I think 2208 01:38:46,150 --> 01:38:43,670 we were all influenced in some way to 2209 01:38:48,190 --> 01:38:46,160 just just take that story out of our 2210 01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:48,200 minds for the time being and it was just 2211 01:38:52,540 --> 01:38:50,930 imparted subliminally well is it 2212 01:38:57,790 --> 01:38:52,550 possible then that the entire thing was 2213 01:38:59,320 --> 01:38:57,800 a phantom worth something you know 2214 01:39:02,680 --> 01:38:59,330 what's real but you don't remember it 2215 01:39:05,020 --> 01:39:02,690 fully I remember meeting him very very 2216 01:39:06,370 --> 01:39:05,030 well and in all detail the only thing I 2217 01:39:09,190 --> 01:39:06,380 don't remember is what he said and 2218 01:39:12,970 --> 01:39:09,200 neither does any did anybody else of my 2219 01:39:16,330 --> 01:39:12,980 my party around people that is quite 2220 01:39:17,950 --> 01:39:16,340 bizarre my goodness I you know when you 2221 01:39:20,350 --> 01:39:17,960 start talking about a small diminutive 2222 01:39:23,050 --> 01:39:20,360 good-looking woman in 63 in Tucson I 2223 01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:23,060 immediately thought of of Truman 2224 01:39:28,900 --> 01:39:27,170 bathroom in or arraigns it almost sounds 2225 01:39:31,690 --> 01:39:28,910 like you met or arranged because wasn't 2226 01:39:34,729 --> 01:39:31,700 she around that area in the early 60s 2227 01:39:37,700 --> 01:39:34,739 she was but she had she had 2228 01:39:40,430 --> 01:39:37,710 hair and brown eyes as I recall I could 2229 01:39:41,180 --> 01:39:40,440 order rings I think yeah I remember that 2230 01:39:43,339 --> 01:39:41,190 story 2231 01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:43,349 maybe she dyed her hair before she met 2232 01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:47,280 you she could have been wearing a wig I 2233 01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:56,419 was a late 50s or maybe early 50s now 2234 01:40:00,799 --> 01:39:58,800 that I'm thinking about I have a sign 2235 01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:00,809 Truman bathroom aboard a flying saucer I 2236 01:40:05,930 --> 01:40:03,210 have a copy of the book and I've always 2237 01:40:08,270 --> 01:40:05,940 had my eyes open for the the entire book 2238 01:40:10,759 --> 01:40:08,280 of rhyming couplets that he wrote in in 2239 01:40:14,500 --> 01:40:10,769 in his passion for oral reigns he wrote 2240 01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:14,510 an entire book of rhyming couplets 2241 01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:19,170 pardon me yes yes this was just a 2242 01:40:28,100 --> 01:40:25,610 tribute to her from a starstruck admirer 2243 01:40:31,489 --> 01:40:28,110 past question occurs to me as you were 2244 01:40:33,919 --> 01:40:31,499 talking Chris could our rains have been 2245 01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:33,929 some kind of metaphor for an affair he 2246 01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:37,530 did have but he couches it in this 2247 01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:40,800 meeting up with et story to maybe take 2248 01:40:46,250 --> 01:40:43,650 away suspicion from the real cheating 2249 01:40:49,790 --> 01:40:46,260 that he was doing I having never met the 2250 01:40:51,470 --> 01:40:49,800 man I obviously I can't say but but Rea 2251 01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:51,480 Stanford spent a considerable amount of 2252 01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:53,610 time with him and he said out of all the 2253 01:40:59,479 --> 01:40:56,730 contact these that was the one case that 2254 01:41:03,220 --> 01:40:59,489 he always felt had the most chance of 2255 01:41:06,979 --> 01:41:03,230 being real because of of the primary 2256 01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:06,989 experience her bathroom and and his his 2257 01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:11,010 genuine feelings that he appeared to to 2258 01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:13,679 have for this small little what shoe 2259 01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:15,449 shoe I think she was four or five or so 2260 01:41:19,609 --> 01:41:17,280 a tiny little thing who was the captain 2261 01:41:22,279 --> 01:41:19,619 of this big huge flying saucer that 2262 01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:22,289 landed out in the desert and also she 2263 01:41:27,589 --> 01:41:25,010 had a piece of jewelry made for him 2264 01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:27,599 which not many people know about that 2265 01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:30,289 ray told me the story of this particular 2266 01:41:36,830 --> 01:41:33,119 piece of jewelry and it's it's pretty 2267 01:41:38,989 --> 01:41:36,840 interesting again you have to take all 2268 01:41:40,609 --> 01:41:38,999 these stories some of them are more 2269 01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,619 apocryphal than others and you have to 2270 01:41:45,290 --> 01:41:42,960 take them with a grain of salt but but I 2271 01:41:46,610 --> 01:41:45,300 don't know Tim maybe hora rains did come 2272 01:41:49,580 --> 01:41:46,620 back and you saw 2273 01:41:51,620 --> 01:41:49,590 in line there she came over and gave you 2274 01:41:54,020 --> 01:41:51,630 a bow I love that it's a great little 2275 01:41:54,860 --> 01:41:54,030 touch yeah Kathy actually it was 2276 01:42:01,190 --> 01:41:54,870 fantastic 2277 01:42:03,410 --> 01:42:01,200 oh she curtsy and very low mind you she 2278 01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:03,420 wasn't she was gosh she was threatening 2279 01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:06,890 no more than five foot yeah Wow you know 2280 01:42:13,100 --> 01:42:09,570 it could have been Linda how she's she 2281 01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:13,110 was kind of small petite I don't see 2282 01:42:20,690 --> 01:42:16,170 Linda doing curtsy so I don't think that 2283 01:42:24,110 --> 01:42:20,700 would be her style well Tim we have some 2284 01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:24,120 questions from our listeners that we get 2285 01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:26,400 them to post on our forum at forum 2286 01:42:32,780 --> 01:42:29,610 podcast calm okay and uh I do have a 2287 01:42:35,150 --> 01:42:32,790 couple of questions here this one comes 2288 01:42:37,190 --> 01:42:35,160 from Blowfish she's one of our our real 2289 01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:37,200 diligent posters and he's always asking 2290 01:42:41,540 --> 01:42:39,690 good questions he won't he kind of wants 2291 01:42:42,890 --> 01:42:41,550 a sense of what you've learned over the 2292 01:42:45,770 --> 01:42:42,900 years he says what's your overall 2293 01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:45,780 feeling of the UFO subject now and what 2294 01:42:48,710 --> 01:42:47,250 what are the main lessons that you've 2295 01:42:50,450 --> 01:42:48,720 learned from this field from when you 2296 01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,460 first started out it has it has anything 2297 01:42:55,250 --> 01:42:52,560 changed and you thinking or has it 2298 01:42:59,240 --> 01:42:55,260 become more entrenched or are you more 2299 01:43:01,520 --> 01:42:59,250 alarmed now give us a sense of how your 2300 01:43:03,410 --> 01:43:01,530 process has evolved what I've learned 2301 01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:03,420 over the years but there are there are 2302 01:43:08,090 --> 01:43:06,330 different types of aliens but I would 2303 01:43:13,250 --> 01:43:08,100 say thousands of people on this planet 2304 01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:13,260 have had contacts probably hundreds have 2305 01:43:18,350 --> 01:43:16,050 actually had communications onboard 2306 01:43:20,150 --> 01:43:18,360 craft being taken onboard craft but 2307 01:43:21,890 --> 01:43:20,160 certainly never happened to me I've 2308 01:43:24,770 --> 01:43:21,900 never been offered I've never seen a 2309 01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:24,780 craft even close up to the best of my 2310 01:43:31,570 --> 01:43:28,560 knowledge but there are definitely 2311 01:43:34,730 --> 01:43:31,580 aliens living among us that I'm 2312 01:43:38,150 --> 01:43:34,740 absolutely sure I've described some of 2313 01:43:42,130 --> 01:43:38,160 the experiences I just about all of the 2314 01:43:45,530 --> 01:43:42,140 experiences that I've had since 1963 2315 01:43:48,410 --> 01:43:45,540 I've never seen a craft cosa unfortunate 2316 01:43:52,730 --> 01:43:48,420 kid but and I certainly haven't seen any 2317 01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:52,740 any of the of the simple gray species 2318 01:44:00,410 --> 01:43:56,400 any of those but it is a very it seems 2319 01:44:02,900 --> 01:44:00,420 to be a very challenging 2320 01:44:05,450 --> 01:44:02,910 situation to know exactly what's going 2321 01:44:08,810 --> 01:44:05,460 on and that I find extremely frustrating 2322 01:44:12,110 --> 01:44:08,820 it's it's a very complex very very 2323 01:44:14,420 --> 01:44:12,120 complex subject but I'm unsatisfied that 2324 01:44:15,890 --> 01:44:14,430 some of them do have our best interests 2325 01:44:18,140 --> 01:44:15,900 at heart and they have given us a 2326 01:44:20,690 --> 01:44:18,150 tremendous amount of information to 2327 01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:20,700 advance our technology and our 2328 01:44:27,260 --> 01:44:23,210 understanding of earth and the universe 2329 01:44:30,590 --> 01:44:27,270 well well you know you have been at this 2330 01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:30,600 for quite some time and it's just it's 2331 01:44:35,630 --> 01:44:33,330 just a never ceases to amaze me some of 2332 01:44:38,090 --> 01:44:35,640 the stories that over the years come out 2333 01:44:39,530 --> 01:44:38,100 and you've been a lightning rod for 2334 01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:39,540 quite a number of them over the years 2335 01:44:46,730 --> 01:44:44,130 and some pretty eye-opening claims this 2336 01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:46,740 one comes from ufology who has a really 2337 01:44:51,770 --> 01:44:48,690 interesting off organization in Calgary 2338 01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:51,780 Alberta and it's kind of a long question 2339 01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:53,610 but but basically he's asking where do 2340 01:44:57,020 --> 01:44:55,530 you draw the line between being 2341 01:44:59,870 --> 01:44:57,030 personally convinced that alien 2342 01:45:02,300 --> 01:44:59,880 visitation in general is true and more 2343 01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:02,310 specific claims such as where they're 2344 01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:04,320 from why they're here theories on 2345 01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:07,170 government infiltration location of 2346 01:45:11,570 --> 01:45:10,530 bases then walking around among us in 2347 01:45:13,310 --> 01:45:11,580 other words where do you draw the line 2348 01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:13,320 between what you're told and what you 2349 01:45:17,390 --> 01:45:15,930 accept is being true and real before we 2350 01:45:20,750 --> 01:45:17,400 have the answer to that question with 2351 01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:20,760 Timothy good joining Jean and Chris it 2352 01:45:30,979 --> 01:45:28,419 [Music] 2353 01:45:33,649 --> 01:45:30,989 wishing 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to rather 2408 01:48:26,830 --> 01:48:23,510 involve question from one of our regular 2409 01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:26,840 listeners and posters ufology we all 2410 01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:29,570 call by his real name Randall what's 2411 01:48:35,979 --> 01:48:33,170 your response well I think could you 2412 01:48:38,380 --> 01:48:35,989 repeat the his case question again for 2413 01:48:40,540 --> 01:48:38,390 me so basically it's it's where you draw 2414 01:48:42,459 --> 01:48:40,550 the line of acceptance from some of the 2415 01:48:43,810 --> 01:48:42,469 stories that you've been told versus 2416 01:48:45,729 --> 01:48:43,820 what you personally believe to be true 2417 01:48:49,180 --> 01:48:45,739 and how do you draw that line 2418 01:48:51,939 --> 01:48:49,190 it depends it's essential for me to meet 2419 01:48:54,430 --> 01:48:51,949 witnesses and I draw the line sometimes 2420 01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:54,440 extremely rapidly after five minutes 2421 01:48:58,330 --> 01:48:56,570 interviewing witnesses who are making 2422 01:49:00,880 --> 01:48:58,340 various claims there a lot of charlatans 2423 01:49:03,910 --> 01:49:00,890 out there as I'm sure you all you all 2424 01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:03,920 accept and even even identifying 2425 01:49:08,500 --> 01:49:06,290 unidentified objects I mean it's so easy 2426 01:49:11,530 --> 01:49:08,510 to mistake all sorts of objects we see 2427 01:49:13,870 --> 01:49:11,540 in the sky for for genuine flying 2428 01:49:16,180 --> 01:49:13,880 saucers and spaceships and things but it 2429 01:49:17,979 --> 01:49:16,190 has been done and I'm convinced that as 2430 01:49:20,770 --> 01:49:17,989 many photographs that have been taken 2431 01:49:23,890 --> 01:49:20,780 are absolutely legitimate it's it's 2432 01:49:25,959 --> 01:49:23,900 sometimes extremely frustrating getting 2433 01:49:28,060 --> 01:49:25,969 getting the proof or a lot of these 2434 01:49:31,870 --> 01:49:28,070 claims and a lot of a lot of claimants 2435 01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:31,880 unfortunately they either exaggerate or 2436 01:49:36,610 --> 01:49:34,130 they they want to they want to make 2437 01:49:38,020 --> 01:49:36,620 themselves famous or I don't know but 2438 01:49:39,340 --> 01:49:38,030 there's a lot of shock there are a lot 2439 01:49:42,580 --> 01:49:39,350 of charlatans in this business 2440 01:49:45,820 --> 01:49:42,590 unfortunately probably less so nowadays 2441 01:49:50,910 --> 01:49:45,830 than in the early days but they're still 2442 01:49:53,770 --> 01:49:50,920 around well say are you familiar with a 2443 01:49:58,320 --> 01:49:53,780 youtube show by these two twin brothers 2444 01:50:00,660 --> 01:49:58,330 that boasts all this footage that's 2445 01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:00,670 supposedly real and touted as real which 2446 01:50:07,170 --> 01:50:03,970 obviously is is a character generation 2447 01:50:11,490 --> 01:50:07,180 Photoshop After Effects those sorts of 2448 01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:11,500 you know desktop video artifact creation 2449 01:50:16,410 --> 01:50:13,690 there's a lot of that I mean you can do 2450 01:50:18,510 --> 01:50:16,420 anything now I mean you know anything 2451 01:50:21,570 --> 01:50:18,520 can be can be fabricated now nowadays 2452 01:50:24,030 --> 01:50:21,580 counted so what's your litmus test for 2453 01:50:26,850 --> 01:50:24,040 accepting particular evidence is real 2454 01:50:29,480 --> 01:50:26,860 you'd need to be qualified I mean you 2455 01:50:33,300 --> 01:50:29,490 need people for example to study 2456 01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:33,310 individual negatives and more slides or 2457 01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,890 whatever it is video material it's just 2458 01:50:41,730 --> 01:50:38,400 so much nonsense what we photoshopped 2459 01:50:44,180 --> 01:50:41,740 anything anything can get by and people 2460 01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:44,190 people will find it very very convincing 2461 01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:47,050 unfortunately that's you know the way 2462 01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:49,690 things have moved now why do you think 2463 01:50:55,380 --> 01:50:51,520 people are generally so gullible they 2464 01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:55,390 they don't have just want to make make a 2465 01:50:59,820 --> 01:50:57,760 cloak might make people look stupid if 2466 01:51:01,860 --> 01:50:59,830 just by believing them you know that 2467 01:51:03,620 --> 01:51:01,870 comes into it a lot of things I think 2468 01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:03,630 there's a lot of very undiscriminating 2469 01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:06,130 not up to speed folks out there that'll 2470 01:51:09,180 --> 01:51:07,690 believe anything that comes comes down 2471 01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:09,190 the bike that that fits into their 2472 01:51:14,790 --> 01:51:11,530 preconceived notions yeah because a lot 2473 01:51:17,330 --> 01:51:14,800 of that as well mmm-hmm well here here's 2474 01:51:20,190 --> 01:51:17,340 some more questions this one comes from 2475 01:51:22,620 --> 01:51:20,200 vezh V high folk who's now joined the 2476 01:51:25,590 --> 01:51:22,630 1000 club here at formed out to para 2477 01:51:28,710 --> 01:51:25,600 cast calm and he wants to know what you 2478 01:51:31,260 --> 01:51:28,720 consider to be the best case for alien 2479 01:51:33,630 --> 01:51:31,270 visitation now we were discussing this 2480 01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:33,640 case in in Italy are there any others 2481 01:51:39,210 --> 01:51:36,370 that really impress you more than others 2482 01:51:43,940 --> 01:51:39,220 well there was a case dating back to 2483 01:51:47,820 --> 01:51:43,950 1963 when idea a friend of mine a lady 2484 01:51:51,630 --> 01:51:47,830 was doing a survey a market research 2485 01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:51,640 survey in not Sheffield but not far from 2486 01:51:58,710 --> 01:51:54,130 Sheffield and sent in central in England 2487 01:52:02,580 --> 01:51:58,720 in a rather beautiful remote type Park 2488 01:52:06,090 --> 01:52:02,590 area lots of hills around and rocks and 2489 01:52:08,370 --> 01:52:06,100 stuff and she she'd got some food and 2490 01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:08,380 she was just sitting out of waiting 2491 01:52:11,970 --> 01:52:10,690 outside from her car and having a 2492 01:52:14,370 --> 01:52:11,980 sandwich and stuff and sudden 2493 01:52:18,630 --> 01:52:14,380 she saw this flying saucer actually land 2494 01:52:20,580 --> 01:52:18,640 below her landed and somebody got out 2495 01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:20,590 and as somebody got out of the craft the 2496 01:52:26,460 --> 01:52:22,090 human looking person got out of the 2497 01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:26,470 craft another guy grew up in a car and 2498 01:52:31,290 --> 01:52:28,690 came running down into the valley and 2499 01:52:33,870 --> 01:52:31,300 they greeted each other and the guy from 2500 01:52:36,180 --> 01:52:33,880 the spacecraft turned around and waved 2501 01:52:39,810 --> 01:52:36,190 at the ship the ship took off at very 2502 01:52:43,140 --> 01:52:39,820 very high speed and then they went in a 2503 01:52:45,540 --> 01:52:43,150 car and it turned out to cut a long 2504 01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:45,550 story short but my friend actually found 2505 01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:47,410 out where they had gone back to the 2506 01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:51,730 house she was invited in and she he's 2507 01:52:56,910 --> 01:52:54,250 one of the guys said that he was from 2508 01:52:59,190 --> 01:52:56,920 elsewhere gave her a lot of information 2509 01:53:00,690 --> 01:52:59,200 and she befriended him over a long 2510 01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:00,700 period there were there were two of them 2511 01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:02,890 she got to know and this is a very 2512 01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:05,410 down-to-earth ladyish market research 2513 01:53:11,370 --> 01:53:08,560 was her speciality very cynical about 2514 01:53:13,860 --> 01:53:11,380 life in general at the time and the 2515 01:53:16,500 --> 01:53:13,870 meetings went on she had many meetings 2516 01:53:19,290 --> 01:53:16,510 with them with other people present she 2517 01:53:21,420 --> 01:53:19,300 learnt a great deal of information about 2518 01:53:24,990 --> 01:53:21,430 this particular very human appearing 2519 01:53:27,570 --> 01:53:25,000 alien and they gave her as I say a lot 2520 01:53:29,820 --> 01:53:27,580 of information and that was one of the 2521 01:53:32,460 --> 01:53:29,830 more convincing cases but I knew her for 2522 01:53:34,710 --> 01:53:32,470 years unfortunately I didn't see any of 2523 01:53:37,260 --> 01:53:34,720 her alien but she was very very 2524 01:53:40,050 --> 01:53:37,270 convincing did John Howe Schuler ever 2525 01:53:42,750 --> 01:53:40,060 tell you about attending a conference a 2526 01:53:46,710 --> 01:53:42,760 UFO conference in the I think the early 2527 01:53:49,380 --> 01:53:46,720 nineties maybe 89 or 90 down in Miami if 2528 01:53:52,020 --> 01:53:49,390 I remember and by the time he got there 2529 01:53:54,870 --> 01:53:52,030 he got there late evidently they had run 2530 01:53:57,300 --> 01:53:54,880 out of room so a guy who was there 2531 01:54:00,240 --> 01:53:57,310 checking in said I'd be happy to share 2532 01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:00,250 my room with you so John shared a room 2533 01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:01,570 with this guy he really didn't have any 2534 01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:04,090 options at that hotel and he claims that 2535 01:54:09,780 --> 01:54:07,090 at one point I think the either was that 2536 01:54:11,220 --> 01:54:09,790 at night or in the morning he was asleep 2537 01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:11,230 and he woke up and he happened to look 2538 01:54:17,700 --> 01:54:13,840 and he could see the guy through the 2539 01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:17,710 bathroom door putting now taking out or 2540 01:54:22,860 --> 01:54:21,250 putting in human looking contacts and he 2541 01:54:23,620 --> 01:54:22,870 turned and looked at John who was still 2542 01:54:28,860 --> 01:54:23,630 in line 2543 01:54:34,660 --> 01:54:28,870 bed and he had vertical slit pupils and 2544 01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:34,670 Jose is not the TV show v no but no John 2545 01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:37,010 said that he never got out of a place he 2546 01:54:42,459 --> 01:54:38,810 didn't attend the conference he did not 2547 01:54:45,370 --> 01:54:42,469 pass go he did not go $200 he got the 2548 01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:45,380 heck out of Dodge he never told me that 2549 01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:48,530 I wish I wish he told me yeah he said 2550 01:54:52,870 --> 01:54:50,330 that was the weirdest experience he ever 2551 01:54:55,149 --> 01:54:52,880 personally had in his life that was the 2552 01:54:57,459 --> 01:54:55,159 one that interesting it took the cake 2553 01:54:59,729 --> 01:54:57,469 I've run into some aliens too here in 2554 01:55:03,490 --> 01:54:59,739 Arizona but they're all just uh of 2555 01:55:05,709 --> 01:55:03,500 Hispanic heritage I don't tend to run 2556 01:55:07,780 --> 01:55:05,719 into the off-planet types well that 2557 01:55:10,330 --> 01:55:07,790 leads me to a question Tim what do you 2558 01:55:13,330 --> 01:55:10,340 think about the work of Henry Stevens 2559 01:55:15,070 --> 01:55:13,340 Joseph Ferrell people who have done 2560 01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:15,080 quite a bit of digging into the state of 2561 01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:18,290 the art of human technology going all 2562 01:55:22,810 --> 01:55:20,000 the way back to the Germans in the 20s 2563 01:55:29,979 --> 01:55:22,820 and 30s do you place any sort of Queens 2564 01:55:33,100 --> 01:55:29,989 in Stephens of course who wrote about in 2565 01:55:34,810 --> 01:55:33,110 Renaldo who wrote about Nazi flying 2566 01:55:37,300 --> 01:55:34,820 saucers and Joseph Farrell who has 2567 01:55:39,700 --> 01:55:37,310 written quite a number of books looking 2568 01:55:41,860 --> 01:55:39,710 at the financial records of certain 2569 01:55:45,669 --> 01:55:41,870 people involved with the Operation 2570 01:55:49,209 --> 01:55:45,679 Paperclip and you know Gary 2571 01:55:51,790 --> 01:55:49,219 Reinhard Galen and others yeah 2572 01:55:53,370 --> 01:55:51,800 do you put any sort of stock in the 2573 01:55:57,129 --> 01:55:53,380 United States and the Allies 2574 01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:57,139 appropriating exotic technology at the 2575 01:56:02,229 --> 01:55:58,010 end of World War two do you have 2576 01:56:03,910 --> 01:56:02,239 anything on it quite early myself I 2577 01:56:07,540 --> 01:56:03,920 think there's a lot of evidence for now 2578 01:56:13,300 --> 01:56:07,550 have you ever really dug into the the 2579 01:56:15,340 --> 01:56:13,310 Nazi saucer man-made technology have not 2580 01:56:17,950 --> 01:56:15,350 gone into it in great depth I'm I'm 2581 01:56:23,500 --> 01:56:17,960 suspicious of quite a few books that I 2582 01:56:26,050 --> 01:56:23,510 have I have read nerves yeah because 2583 01:56:28,330 --> 01:56:26,060 I've always thought to do ballet really 2584 01:56:30,790 --> 01:56:28,340 jacques ballet of course was on the 2585 01:56:33,580 --> 01:56:30,800 right track by by mentioning that this 2586 01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:33,590 is a really fertile ground and in a very 2587 01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:37,130 very the high potential for society 2588 01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:40,880 manipulation with the Flying Saucer 2589 01:56:47,830 --> 01:56:44,210 images and in information about aliens 2590 01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:47,840 how can the average person wade through 2591 01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:51,050 the morass of this field without the 2592 01:56:54,430 --> 01:56:52,610 kind of education the three of us have 2593 01:56:57,700 --> 01:56:54,440 in the field and and and really makes 2594 01:57:00,580 --> 01:56:57,710 sense of all this difficulty is the 2595 01:57:01,380 --> 01:57:00,590 answer to that the short answer is you 2596 01:57:03,940 --> 01:57:01,390 don't 2597 01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:03,950 now in case you're wondering how to ask 2598 01:57:09,010 --> 01:57:06,560 questions of our guests it's very simple 2599 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alien races 2714 02:02:19,650 --> 02:02:17,200 visiting us from where where do they 2715 02:02:21,090 --> 02:02:19,660 come from a good question I I have a 2716 02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:21,100 feeling that that some of them actually 2717 02:02:25,500 --> 02:02:23,050 come from this planet and they've had 2718 02:02:28,980 --> 02:02:25,510 bases on here for a very very long time 2719 02:02:32,310 --> 02:02:28,990 others quite obviously come from 2720 02:02:34,290 --> 02:02:32,320 elsewhere either on moons of various 2721 02:02:36,330 --> 02:02:34,300 planets in our solar system or even 2722 02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:36,340 maybe on some of the planets we don't 2723 02:02:43,530 --> 02:02:38,290 know everything I don't think they're 2724 02:02:46,200 --> 02:02:43,540 told everything for example some have 2725 02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:46,210 suggested Paul Laviolette for example 2726 02:02:51,780 --> 02:02:48,490 written an excellent book and he 2727 02:02:54,060 --> 02:02:51,790 suggests that NASA is the cover for 2728 02:02:58,800 --> 02:02:54,070 United States Air Force Space Command 2729 02:03:03,510 --> 02:02:58,810 and in one of his books he's written but 2730 02:03:05,070 --> 02:03:03,520 a lot of these crafts are actually the 2731 02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:05,080 United States Air Force Space Command 2732 02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:10,450 has its own fleet of of transporter 2733 02:03:13,860 --> 02:03:11,770 craft all sorts of things and that 2734 02:03:16,830 --> 02:03:13,870 they're being going during turn from the 2735 02:03:18,450 --> 02:03:16,840 moon for four decades so a lot of what 2736 02:03:20,370 --> 02:03:18,460 we have told isn't isn't actually 2737 02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:20,380 factually accurate okay so you're 2738 02:03:24,660 --> 02:03:22,810 talking about the so-called secret space 2739 02:03:28,710 --> 02:03:24,670 program that NASA is the public 2740 02:03:30,300 --> 02:03:28,720 relations arm it does a few half-hearted 2741 02:03:31,980 --> 02:03:30,310 efforts and then the real thing is 2742 02:03:33,060 --> 02:03:31,990 happening behind the scenes yes 2743 02:03:34,980 --> 02:03:33,070 precisely 2744 02:03:37,710 --> 02:03:34,990 okay so we've gone to the moon is this 2745 02:03:42,060 --> 02:03:37,720 an alien craft that we've gotten from et 2746 02:03:45,350 --> 02:03:42,070 I don't know but so certainly United 2747 02:03:48,540 --> 02:03:45,360 States Air Force Space Command have have 2748 02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:48,550 shuttle fleet going to and from the moon 2749 02:03:54,390 --> 02:03:51,010 and perhaps those were field 2750 02:03:57,839 --> 02:03:54,400 according to Paula Violetta felicity's a 2751 02:04:00,569 --> 02:03:57,849 very good book where are they taking off 2752 02:04:02,189 --> 02:04:00,579 from is there a space on earth that they 2753 02:04:05,339 --> 02:04:02,199 take off privately if they have a base 2754 02:04:07,049 --> 02:04:05,349 in the mid-pacific US Air Force space 2755 02:04:10,770 --> 02:04:07,059 come on this is not something that we 2756 02:04:12,930 --> 02:04:10,780 could readily prove I think it might be 2757 02:04:17,279 --> 02:04:12,940 difficult you spent a lot of time on 2758 02:04:18,569 --> 02:04:17,289 Google Earth looking at the bottom is 2759 02:04:20,779 --> 02:04:18,579 they have Google Earth under under under 2760 02:04:23,970 --> 02:04:20,789 the ocean now I believe don't they 2761 02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:23,980 honestly I don't know but that would be 2762 02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:28,570 fascinating okay in here Tim good about 2763 02:04:34,069 --> 02:04:31,360 the fact that some of these alien beings 2764 02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:34,079 have been here for an awful long time 2765 02:04:37,529 --> 02:04:37,090 but they're still not from here is that 2766 02:04:40,470 --> 02:04:37,539 correct 2767 02:04:41,669 --> 02:04:40,480 did you say that still not from here did 2768 02:04:43,770 --> 02:04:41,679 you say I did I miss what you were 2769 02:04:46,950 --> 02:04:43,780 saying okay all right you're saying that 2770 02:04:49,049 --> 02:04:46,960 some of these visitors have been here 2771 02:04:51,629 --> 02:04:49,059 for a long time so when we see them 2772 02:04:54,509 --> 02:04:51,639 they're not coming from another world to 2773 02:04:57,689 --> 02:04:54,519 us they already have bases here well I 2774 02:05:00,270 --> 02:04:57,699 would say both I think they certainly do 2775 02:05:02,729 --> 02:05:00,280 have bases here already but you know 2776 02:05:05,640 --> 02:05:02,739 they're coming and going and well from 2777 02:05:08,779 --> 02:05:05,650 what I gather spaceflight in their types 2778 02:05:12,109 --> 02:05:08,789 of craft is virtually instantaneous 2779 02:05:16,649 --> 02:05:12,119 phenomenal technology me like warp drive 2780 02:05:20,009 --> 02:05:16,659 whatever wormholes I know nothing about 2781 02:05:22,439 --> 02:05:20,019 what I'm hold but maybe they make use of 2782 02:05:23,359 --> 02:05:22,449 them I don't know well they use 2783 02:05:26,759 --> 02:05:23,369 stargates 2784 02:05:28,970 --> 02:05:26,769 that's instantaneous no but you never 2785 02:05:31,770 --> 02:05:28,980 consider the possibility that there is 2786 02:05:34,200 --> 02:05:31,780 some sort of breakaway civilization or 2787 02:05:37,290 --> 02:05:34,210 another race of people who are from 2788 02:05:39,359 --> 02:05:37,300 Earth as much as we are they have 2789 02:05:42,660 --> 02:05:39,369 developed an advanced technology but for 2790 02:05:44,899 --> 02:05:42,670 whatever reason except and higher levels 2791 02:05:48,029 --> 02:05:44,909 they never communicate with us at all 2792 02:05:50,009 --> 02:05:48,039 it's not always at high levels I mean in 2793 02:05:52,339 --> 02:05:50,019 the a much easier case which has a 2794 02:05:54,390 --> 02:05:52,349 written about of very very complex 2795 02:05:56,129 --> 02:05:54,400 scenario the whole thing about the 2796 02:05:59,310 --> 02:05:56,139 Italian and a cheat their case but I 2797 02:06:01,109 --> 02:05:59,320 mean it goes back to the 1950s and even 2798 02:06:03,509 --> 02:06:01,119 in in more recent year 2799 02:06:04,860 --> 02:06:03,519 you know there there's still some sort 2800 02:06:06,240 --> 02:06:04,870 of activity going on 2801 02:06:08,790 --> 02:06:06,250 with these guys who are communicating 2802 02:06:10,980 --> 02:06:08,800 with dozens of people from all walks of 2803 02:06:15,960 --> 02:06:10,990 life in Italy and in other countries 2804 02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:15,970 apparently yeah well they did if you're 2805 02:06:22,140 --> 02:06:20,050 talking about an entire space fleet then 2806 02:06:25,200 --> 02:06:22,150 there's a chance that what gary mckinnon 2807 02:06:29,370 --> 02:06:25,210 stumbled on back in the 90s may actually 2808 02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:29,380 be be real information yeah he's he's a 2809 02:06:35,100 --> 02:06:32,800 friend III respect what he says and he 2810 02:06:37,680 --> 02:06:35,110 saw as you know something that looked 2811 02:06:39,390 --> 02:06:37,690 like a lot of huge mothership on a 2812 02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:39,400 screen one of the screens that he hacked 2813 02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:45,250 into yeah all with the 64 commodore 64 2814 02:06:57,090 --> 02:06:47,050 and a dial-up modem if I remember 2815 02:07:02,700 --> 02:06:57,100 correctly well why you Timothy good why 2816 02:07:06,450 --> 02:07:02,710 are you somehow attracting these sources 2817 02:07:09,420 --> 02:07:06,460 and cultivating the relationships with 2818 02:07:12,780 --> 02:07:09,430 people that are in the classified world 2819 02:07:17,670 --> 02:07:12,790 and claim to have this this quite 2820 02:07:19,640 --> 02:07:17,680 amazing stories and knowledge what do 2821 02:07:22,410 --> 02:07:19,650 you think has happened in your 2822 02:07:27,090 --> 02:07:22,420 professional life that has allowed these 2823 02:07:29,130 --> 02:07:27,100 people the motivation and the trust to 2824 02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:29,140 come forward and speak with you other 2825 02:07:31,770 --> 02:07:30,490 than the people that you've known for 2826 02:07:34,380 --> 02:07:31,780 quite some time that you mentioned 2827 02:07:37,020 --> 02:07:34,390 earlier these new sources that come out 2828 02:07:39,540 --> 02:07:37,030 every now and then what what is it about 2829 02:07:43,500 --> 02:07:39,550 you is it something that you could put 2830 02:07:47,670 --> 02:07:43,510 in a be able to come to me and say these 2831 02:07:49,650 --> 02:07:47,680 things no no no it's not unique and it's 2832 02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:49,660 very occasional you know I don't I don't 2833 02:07:55,530 --> 02:07:51,810 get these tips and information every day 2834 02:07:57,570 --> 02:07:55,540 yeah I can go yes can go by before I get 2835 02:08:05,820 --> 02:07:57,580 anything that's really helpful or just a 2836 02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:05,830 hint no I don't know any mean well 2837 02:08:09,660 --> 02:08:07,570 here's one that I know that you have dug 2838 02:08:12,990 --> 02:08:09,670 into and this involves the claim that 2839 02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:13,000 Dwight Eisenhower allegedly met with 2840 02:08:18,270 --> 02:08:14,890 aliens at Holloman Air Force Base and 2841 02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:18,280 this question comes from SRL who is 2842 02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:20,320 one of our posters that formed off the 2843 02:08:26,250 --> 02:08:23,770 para cast arm he goes mr. good can you 2844 02:08:28,020 --> 02:08:26,260 offer any insight as to the physical 2845 02:08:31,590 --> 02:08:28,030 description of the aliens that 2846 02:08:35,370 --> 02:08:31,600 Eisenhower met at Holloman or at Edwards 2847 02:08:39,930 --> 02:08:35,380 Air Force Base no information has been 2848 02:08:45,150 --> 02:08:39,940 given in other this is in 1955 at 2849 02:08:49,260 --> 02:08:45,160 Holloman Air Force Base originally he 2850 02:08:51,540 --> 02:08:49,270 this was at the height of the war of 2851 02:08:54,300 --> 02:08:51,550 words with the Soviet 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02:09:29,550 --> 02:09:27,460 anyway but he did enter into the 2866 02:09:31,290 --> 02:09:29,560 aircraft and I think he was there for 2867 02:09:33,060 --> 02:09:31,300 some 20 minutes 20 minutes 30 minutes 2868 02:09:36,270 --> 02:09:33,070 and it was given a lot of information 2869 02:09:38,850 --> 02:09:36,280 and we don't know more than that but a 2870 02:09:41,070 --> 02:09:38,860 lot of people did actually witness me 2871 02:09:43,080 --> 02:09:41,080 the alien vehicle when it landed and 2872 02:09:45,570 --> 02:09:43,090 when it took off a lot of military guys 2873 02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:45,580 at Holloman didn't witness that that was 2874 02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:49,930 in 1955 in 1954 Eisenhower had at least 2875 02:09:59,220 --> 02:09:54,970 two meetings at what was then called 2876 02:10:04,830 --> 02:09:59,230 Muroc airfield Edwards Air Force Base 2877 02:10:08,820 --> 02:10:04,840 now and on another occasion he was 2878 02:10:11,880 --> 02:10:08,830 Eisenhower had three 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--> 02:14:33,890 nine three six seven eight BET's eight 2976 02:14:43,220 --> 02:14:36,350 six six three six nine three six seven 2977 02:14:49,080 --> 02:14:46,200 hi this is nuclear physicist lecturer 2978 02:14:52,770 --> 02:14:49,090 Stanton Friedman you are listening to 2979 02:14:59,640 --> 02:14:52,780 the barricades to the gold standard a 2980 02:15:02,610 --> 02:14:59,650 paranormal radio so can we prove that 2981 02:15:06,200 --> 02:15:02,620 President Eisenhower as has been rumored 2982 02:15:09,690 --> 02:15:06,210 met up with et on three occasions is it 2983 02:15:11,250 --> 02:15:09,700 well I I'm aware of three occasions it's 2984 02:15:12,900 --> 02:15:11,260 quite possible there were there are 2985 02:15:15,660 --> 02:15:12,910 others but I don't I don't know more 2986 02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:15,670 than that so were these the good et's or 2987 02:15:20,460 --> 02:15:17,770 the ban et's we hope the good ones I 2988 02:15:22,500 --> 02:15:20,470 don't know I would think the good ones 2989 02:15:25,080 --> 02:15:22,510 because nothing nothing harmful came 2990 02:15:27,240 --> 02:15:25,090 came off from the meetings as far as I 2991 02:15:29,580 --> 02:15:27,250 know I think I think they were described 2992 02:15:34,890 --> 02:15:29,590 as the big nose orange guys or something 2993 02:15:36,720 --> 02:15:34,900 I don't know they had wrinkled for these 2994 02:15:37,910 --> 02:15:36,730 large no subscription has been 2995 02:15:40,590 --> 02:15:37,920 forthcoming 2996 02:15:42,420 --> 02:15:40,600 aren't you glad that that's a horrible 2997 02:15:44,340 --> 02:15:42,430 pun that we still have a few more 2998 02:15:47,640 --> 02:15:44,350 questions from our listeners to ask 2999 02:15:51,090 --> 02:15:47,650 Chris well this one again comes from 3000 02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:51,100 Randle up in Calgary and I think he's 3001 02:15:55,980 --> 02:15:54,400 fascinated by your esteemed career as a 3002 02:15:58,850 --> 02:15:55,990 musician and he wants to know if you've 3003 02:16:01,440 --> 02:15:58,860 ever had the opportunity to discuss UFOs 3004 02:16:03,060 --> 02:16:01,450 with other musicians and if so can you 3005 02:16:05,880 --> 02:16:03,070 share any stories and tell us what the 3006 02:16:08,580 --> 02:16:05,890 high point for you was in there was in 3007 02:16:12,630 --> 02:16:08,590 your musical career is this follow-up 3008 02:16:15,660 --> 02:16:12,640 question honestly I I wouldn't know 3009 02:16:17,820 --> 02:16:15,670 where to start I mean I discussed I've 3010 02:16:19,620 --> 02:16:17,830 discussed my own experiences with those 3011 02:16:22,700 --> 02:16:19,630 who are interested and I discussed the 3012 02:16:27,630 --> 02:16:22,710 subject in general with people but 3013 02:16:29,940 --> 02:16:27,640 Robbie Williams is been out there alien 3014 02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:29,950 sleuthing of course reg Presley for many 3015 02:16:34,140 --> 02:16:32,170 years was interested in in the subject 3016 02:16:35,669 --> 02:16:34,150 in crop circles as well we have Colin 3017 02:16:41,250 --> 02:16:35,679 Andrews on just a number of weeks ago 3018 02:16:44,640 --> 02:16:41,260 and he spoke very very yes yes he's in 3019 02:16:47,250 --> 02:16:44,650 Connecticut correct right yeah yeah in 3020 02:16:49,860 --> 02:16:47,260 doing well he sounded good what was like 3021 02:16:52,620 --> 02:16:49,870 Colin it was my first chance to really 3022 02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:52,630 talk with him at length but he did 3023 02:16:56,190 --> 02:16:54,010 mention that there 3024 02:16:58,740 --> 02:16:56,200 have been musicians I think David Bowie 3025 02:17:01,500 --> 02:16:58,750 John Lennon others the Moody Blues 3026 02:17:03,809 --> 02:17:01,510 Justin Hayward I think claimed to have 3027 02:17:05,700 --> 02:17:03,819 had sightings there have been a number 3028 02:17:07,469 --> 02:17:05,710 of English musicians over the years that 3029 02:17:11,059 --> 02:17:07,479 have claimed this have you ever had a 3030 02:17:14,330 --> 02:17:11,069 chance to talk to to any of these guys I 3031 02:17:16,980 --> 02:17:14,340 haven't really no because nothing really 3032 02:17:18,690 --> 02:17:16,990 dramatically in timing reg Presley I got 3033 02:17:20,580 --> 02:17:18,700 to know so he was a nice guy 3034 02:17:21,929 --> 02:17:20,590 I can't even recall if he had any 3035 02:17:25,799 --> 02:17:21,939 experiences himself but he was very 3036 02:17:27,629 --> 02:17:25,809 interested in the the crop field circles 3037 02:17:29,429 --> 02:17:27,639 and things like that he wrote a book 3038 02:17:31,980 --> 02:17:29,439 about it some years back don't know how 3039 02:17:34,410 --> 02:17:31,990 well it sold he died a few years ago as 3040 02:17:36,750 --> 02:17:34,420 you know but also when we talk about 3041 02:17:40,139 --> 02:17:36,760 show business people and obviously John 3042 02:17:43,259 --> 02:17:40,149 Lennon had seen the UFO with his 3043 02:17:47,250 --> 02:17:43,269 then-girlfriend Mei pang whom he dated 3044 02:17:49,709 --> 02:17:47,260 between marrying Yoko Ono breaking up 3045 02:17:51,870 --> 02:17:49,719 with her briefly and then getting back 3046 02:17:53,700 --> 02:17:51,880 together with her we understand like 3047 02:17:55,500 --> 02:17:53,710 Tommy James of Tommy James and the 3048 02:18:00,660 --> 02:17:55,510 Shondells was very interested in UFOs 3049 02:18:02,910 --> 02:18:00,670 and what was the name of that fellow I 3050 02:18:06,179 --> 02:18:02,920 can't think of his name worked with a 3051 02:18:08,759 --> 02:18:06,189 hard rock band alright just a couple of 3052 02:18:10,559 --> 02:18:08,769 weeks ago some guy came forward some 3053 02:18:13,049 --> 02:18:10,569 musician claimed he was abducted out in 3054 02:18:17,190 --> 02:18:13,059 the desert or something Sammy Hagar was 3055 02:18:20,790 --> 02:18:17,200 abducted he worked briefly you never 3056 02:18:22,500 --> 02:18:20,800 heard of Sammy Hagar no he replaced 3057 02:18:24,480 --> 02:18:22,510 David Lee Roth in a certain 3058 02:18:27,750 --> 02:18:24,490 rock-and-roll band okay so you never 3059 02:18:32,629 --> 02:18:27,760 heard of him yeah I mean I couldn't 3060 02:18:36,389 --> 02:18:32,639 recognize a Sammy Hagar recording at all 3061 02:18:38,339 --> 02:18:36,399 you know I do I don't like to drive 55 3062 02:18:40,740 --> 02:18:38,349 yeah that was his one major hit as a 3063 02:18:44,280 --> 02:18:40,750 solo artist but he was in the rock band 3064 02:18:48,509 --> 02:18:44,290 Tim Van Halen he became the singer 3065 02:18:49,740 --> 02:18:48,519 during the 90s and came out well he's 3066 02:18:51,419 --> 02:18:49,750 come out with a couple of things he's 3067 02:18:55,440 --> 02:18:51,429 come out with a very good tequila called 3068 02:18:57,480 --> 02:18:55,450 Cabo Wabo and he also came out of the 3069 02:18:59,790 --> 02:18:57,490 closet and claimed a couple of years 3070 02:19:01,950 --> 02:18:59,800 back that he had had an 3071 02:19:05,549 --> 02:19:01,960 up-close-and-personal duction experience 3072 02:19:07,769 --> 02:19:05,559 and and he's serious about it you know 3073 02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:07,779 people of course thought maybe it was 3074 02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:08,170 just 3075 02:19:12,480 --> 02:19:10,330 having fun with it but he said no I'm 3076 02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:12,490 serious this really happen to me yeah so 3077 02:19:17,669 --> 02:19:15,130 I mean it happens to all sorts of people 3078 02:19:20,549 --> 02:19:17,679 in all walks of life I just wish it 3079 02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:20,559 happened to James Randi or Joe Nickell 3080 02:19:25,020 --> 02:19:23,290 or one of those guys all of a sudden 3081 02:19:27,179 --> 02:19:25,030 wake up you know I have a sore butt 3082 02:19:29,310 --> 02:19:27,189 weird memories have to go get 3083 02:19:33,900 --> 02:19:29,320 hypnotically regressed i man I would 3084 02:19:37,650 --> 02:19:33,910 love to see that what about you guys I 3085 02:19:39,750 --> 02:19:37,660 did when I was 7 I changed my life when 3086 02:19:44,250 --> 02:19:39,760 I was a little kid I had an up close no 3087 02:19:46,379 --> 02:19:44,260 up close and personal rather encounter 3088 02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:46,389 experience there was no communication no 3089 02:19:53,100 --> 02:19:49,210 you know peril paralysis or anything 3090 02:19:55,380 --> 02:19:53,110 like that but it forever 3091 02:19:59,730 --> 02:19:55,390 your revoke will be altered by reality 3092 02:20:01,620 --> 02:19:59,740 view let's put it that way and for many 3093 02:20:04,770 --> 02:20:01,630 many years I was a closeted UFO buff 3094 02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:04,780 embarrassed to admit it I had you know 3095 02:20:09,840 --> 02:20:07,210 bought dozens and dozens of books 3096 02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:09,850 started reading UFO books at a very very 3097 02:20:16,830 --> 02:20:14,010 young age Frank Edwards valet John keel 3098 02:20:20,060 --> 02:20:16,840 of course Donald Keough and the damn ski 3099 02:20:22,500 --> 02:20:20,070 and all the the classics from the 50s I 3100 02:20:24,090 --> 02:20:22,510 got my hands on at one point to another 3101 02:20:26,460 --> 02:20:24,100 have quite a collection of first 3102 02:20:30,300 --> 02:20:26,470 editions from going all the way back to 3103 02:20:33,179 --> 02:20:30,310 1950 it's it's been it's changed my life 3104 02:20:34,679 --> 02:20:33,189 but I did never come back for a visit to 3105 02:20:38,700 --> 02:20:34,689 my knowledge it's like hey you know you 3106 02:20:40,650 --> 02:20:38,710 show up yeah freak me out and then and 3107 02:20:44,580 --> 02:20:40,660 then that's it I guess maybe I didn't 3108 02:20:46,980 --> 02:20:44,590 pass the audition or something I don't 3109 02:20:49,380 --> 02:20:46,990 know other than that I've seen dozens of 3110 02:20:51,560 --> 02:20:49,390 sightings in the San Luis Valley did 3111 02:20:55,679 --> 02:20:51,570 sometimes they see several and one night 3112 02:20:57,870 --> 02:20:55,689 but but ever since I moved here to 3113 02:20:59,490 --> 02:20:57,880 Arizona there my sighting experiences 3114 02:21:02,929 --> 02:20:59,500 have only I can count them on one hand 3115 02:21:06,960 --> 02:21:02,939 I've only had three we three good ones 3116 02:21:08,550 --> 02:21:06,970 you know we all see lights in the sky 3117 02:21:10,440 --> 02:21:08,560 that we can't explain even trained 3118 02:21:12,540 --> 02:21:10,450 observers people that are that should 3119 02:21:15,650 --> 02:21:12,550 know better occasionally will see 3120 02:21:19,500 --> 02:21:15,660 something that doesn't conform to their 3121 02:21:21,530 --> 02:21:19,510 to their to their level of training and 3122 02:21:23,750 --> 02:21:21,540 awareness of course I've had many of 3123 02:21:25,850 --> 02:21:23,760 those but but the ones I like with the 3124 02:21:28,011 --> 02:21:25,860 up-close-and-personal daylight sightings 3125 02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:28,021 those are the ones that really I think 3126 02:21:33,770 --> 02:21:30,810 have the most scientific data that we 3127 02:21:37,460 --> 02:21:33,780 can glean from them I'm trying to put 3128 02:21:39,370 --> 02:21:37,470 together a 24/7 hi-def surveillance 3129 02:21:41,690 --> 02:21:39,380 camera set up around the San Luis Valley 3130 02:21:43,130 --> 02:21:41,700 we're about ready to get the amount of 3131 02:21:44,060 --> 02:21:43,140 bandwidth we need to operate this thing 3132 02:21:47,960 --> 02:21:44,070 on the Internet 3133 02:21:51,320 --> 02:21:47,970 seven cameras on cell towers and when we 3134 02:21:54,130 --> 02:21:51,330 had the first startup of the test of the 3135 02:21:56,780 --> 02:21:54,140 first camera we had two humanoid forms 3136 02:21:59,210 --> 02:21:56,790 fly-in about 30 miles from the camera 3137 02:22:01,970 --> 02:21:59,220 but all the way out at 36 power optical 3138 02:22:05,150 --> 02:22:01,980 zoom to humanoid forms flew right across 3139 02:22:08,120 --> 02:22:05,160 the western side of the great standings 3140 02:22:13,700 --> 02:22:08,130 out there like Superman humanoids flying 3141 02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:13,710 in the I've got a couple of cases in 3142 02:22:20,420 --> 02:22:17,130 mind in my new book I thinking I think 3143 02:22:22,700 --> 02:22:20,430 Mexico off hand I think in Mexico I know 3144 02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:22,710 there's been quite a number down there 3145 02:22:25,880 --> 02:22:23,130 over the years 3146 02:22:28,310 --> 02:22:25,890 yeah and some pretty interesting video 3147 02:22:29,780 --> 02:22:28,320 footage if it's not balloons I've seen 3148 02:22:31,880 --> 02:22:29,790 some of them I mean it just looks like a 3149 02:22:34,610 --> 02:22:31,890 guy flying through the air you know yeah 3150 02:22:38,511 --> 02:22:34,620 these were like seated type figures with 3151 02:22:40,850 --> 02:22:38,521 her legs right now with large what looks 3152 02:22:42,830 --> 02:22:40,860 like some sort of hardware on their back 3153 02:22:45,980 --> 02:22:42,840 like a giant backpack like an astronaut 3154 02:22:47,540 --> 02:22:45,990 would wear yeah yeah this is fascinating 3155 02:22:50,511 --> 02:22:47,550 that all the stuff happens to Chris with 3156 02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:50,521 me maybe I had a UFO sighting in the 60s 3157 02:22:57,410 --> 02:22:54,170 maybe but it wasn't specific enough 3158 02:22:59,480 --> 02:22:57,420 location location I was always in the 3159 02:23:01,761 --> 02:22:59,490 wrong location of my friend but well 3160 02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:01,771 except for that one instance where back 3161 02:23:08,630 --> 02:23:05,010 in the late 1960s I saw something and 3162 02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:08,640 this guy a light made a rapid maneuver 3163 02:23:13,700 --> 02:23:11,130 then it disappeared and that's all I can 3164 02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:13,710 say in our discussion last week with 3165 02:23:20,180 --> 02:23:17,010 David Rountree he was talking about UFOs 3166 02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:20,190 being dangerous to your health I guess 3167 02:23:22,580 --> 02:23:22,050 to some degree he'd be talking like the 3168 02:23:25,790 --> 02:23:22,590 cash 3169 02:23:29,960 --> 02:23:25,800 Landrum episode from 1980 where Betty 3170 02:23:31,790 --> 02:23:29,970 cash suffered some severe symptoms that 3171 02:23:33,740 --> 02:23:31,800 may have smacked of possible of 3172 02:23:34,320 --> 02:23:33,750 radiation poisoning or something 3173 02:23:36,630 --> 02:23:34,330 some other 3174 02:23:38,070 --> 02:23:36,640 and of course john burroughs from the 3175 02:23:40,650 --> 02:23:38,080 Rendlesham case when he appeared on the 3176 02:23:43,740 --> 02:23:40,660 para cast he talked about touching a 3177 02:23:46,830 --> 02:23:43,750 land of UFO and things weren't quite the 3178 02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:46,840 same after that so the question I would 3179 02:23:52,380 --> 02:23:49,050 ask and this is one that we'll have to 3180 02:23:54,900 --> 02:23:52,390 pursue to the next segment of our show 3181 02:23:57,990 --> 02:23:54,910 the final segment that is Timothy good 3182 02:24:00,570 --> 02:23:58,000 in all of your investigation of UFOs and 3183 02:24:03,030 --> 02:24:00,580 we talked here about possible hostile 3184 02:24:06,840 --> 02:24:03,040 alien beings but the key question here 3185 02:24:07,230 --> 02:24:06,850 is whether UFOs are dangerous to your 3186 02:24:10,980 --> 02:24:07,240 health 3187 02:24:12,900 --> 02:24:10,990 whether getting in close proximity could 3188 02:24:14,940 --> 02:24:12,910 cause possible ill effects like 3189 02:24:16,679 --> 02:24:14,950 radiation poisoning you'll have that 3190 02:24:19,930 --> 02:24:16,689 answer in our next segment with Jean and 3191 02:24:28,370 --> 02:24:19,940 Chris you're in libera cast 3192 02:24:33,120 --> 02:24:30,930 pushing you the brightest of Christmas 3193 02:24:35,940 --> 02:24:33,130 seasons and best wishes for the new year 3194 02:24:40,350 --> 02:24:35,950 from the Genesis communications network 3195 02:24:43,200 --> 02:24:40,360 G C and if you want to get your 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percent 3279 02:27:59,291 --> 02:27:57,381 you're fired 3280 02:28:01,390 --> 02:27:59,301 one out of three young adults and one 3281 02:28:03,970 --> 02:28:01,400 out of two recent college graduates are 3282 02:28:05,171 --> 02:28:03,980 underemployed hello I'm Keith Abel a 3283 02:28:07,480 --> 02:28:05,181 pharmacist and a home business 3284 02:28:09,131 --> 02:28:07,490 entrepreneur in 2011 I became one of 3285 02:28:10,570 --> 02:28:09,141 those statistics myself instead of 3286 02:28:12,551 --> 02:28:10,580 looking for another job in corporate 3287 02:28:14,650 --> 02:28:12,561 America I joined dr. Joel Wallach the 3288 02:28:16,451 --> 02:28:14,660 dead doctors don't lag I we're creating 3289 02:28:18,161 --> 02:28:16,461 steady incomes for ourselves and would 3290 02:28:19,451 --> 02:28:18,171 like to show you how to do the same if 3291 02:28:21,820 --> 02:28:19,461 you want to supplement your current 3292 02:28:22,991 --> 02:28:21,830 income replace your income so you don't 3293 02:28:25,270 --> 02:28:23,001 have to become one of the statistics 3294 02:28:28,241 --> 02:28:25,280 then give me a call toll free at eight 3295 02:28:31,091 --> 02:28:28,251 six six two five seven three one zero 3296 02:28:32,770 --> 02:28:31,101 five eight six six two five seven three 3297 02:28:33,820 --> 02:28:32,780 one zero five you're fired 3298 02:28:35,650 --> 02:28:33,830 don't wait til you hear those words 3299 02:28:38,201 --> 02:28:35,660 start creating an extra income today 3300 02:28:41,740 --> 02:28:38,211 eight six six two five seven three one 3301 02:28:47,899 --> 02:28:44,349 [Music] 3302 02:28:50,269 --> 02:28:47,909 this is hilly roads I told you to listen 3303 02:28:56,270 --> 02:28:50,279 to in the para caste because you will 3304 02:29:01,880 --> 02:28:58,989 [Music] 3305 02:29:05,090 --> 02:29:01,890 so should we give a health warning with 3306 02:29:07,550 --> 02:29:05,100 UFOs certainly our guest last week David 3307 02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:07,560 Rountree suggested the very same with 3308 02:29:11,449 --> 02:29:09,449 Jeana and Chris we have Timothy good and 3309 02:29:14,539 --> 02:29:11,459 I'm gonna ask you that question 3310 02:29:16,699 --> 02:29:14,549 UFOs dangerous for your health we should 3311 02:29:19,099 --> 02:29:16,709 stay away from them what I think it 3312 02:29:22,969 --> 02:29:19,109 depends I think what cash Landrum cases 3313 02:29:26,209 --> 02:29:22,979 of December 1980 I think it was 3314 02:29:28,069 --> 02:29:26,219 definitely petty cash was irradiated 3315 02:29:30,739 --> 02:29:28,079 from it I mean to me that was an 3316 02:29:33,079 --> 02:29:30,749 American craft nuclear-powered craft 3317 02:29:35,359 --> 02:29:33,089 which obviously got into trouble and it 3318 02:29:38,239 --> 02:29:35,369 was being escorted by I think 423 3319 02:29:40,159 --> 02:29:38,249 Chinook helicopters and thus it was 3320 02:29:42,319 --> 02:29:40,169 losing height rapidly and then never 3321 02:29:45,019 --> 02:29:42,329 tried to regain height and everything in 3322 02:29:48,349 --> 02:29:45,029 it was it clearly irradiated the people 3323 02:29:49,999 --> 02:29:48,359 in Betty cash and two other passengers 3324 02:29:52,340 --> 02:29:50,009 she was but I think because she got out 3325 02:29:54,319 --> 02:29:52,350 of the car she looked up she was she 3326 02:29:57,349 --> 02:29:54,329 suffered more radiation than others but 3327 02:30:01,249 --> 02:29:57,359 I myself think that craft was an 3328 02:30:05,179 --> 02:30:01,259 American craft generally speaking there 3329 02:30:08,659 --> 02:30:05,189 are no harmful effects from the more 3330 02:30:11,179 --> 02:30:08,669 conventional alien spacecraft if you 3331 02:30:13,069 --> 02:30:11,189 like but there have been people who have 3332 02:30:14,599 --> 02:30:13,079 been irradiated by something or they've 3333 02:30:18,769 --> 02:30:14,609 done something wrong and climbing on 3334 02:30:22,999 --> 02:30:18,779 board the craft because some people have 3335 02:30:25,010 --> 02:30:23,009 been sort of electrocuted not not not to 3336 02:30:27,590 --> 02:30:25,020 the point of decease obviously but some 3337 02:30:29,959 --> 02:30:27,600 people have been injured or occasionally 3338 02:30:31,999 --> 02:30:29,969 very rare occasions climbing on board 3339 02:30:34,130 --> 02:30:32,009 these craft but generally speaking 3340 02:30:37,550 --> 02:30:34,140 there's no there's no there's nothing 3341 02:30:40,189 --> 02:30:37,560 harmful about them yeah unless you're 3342 02:30:42,889 --> 02:30:40,199 running underneath it like Travis Walton 3343 02:30:44,239 --> 02:30:42,899 tried to do and he got exact other than 3344 02:30:46,880 --> 02:30:44,249 that it's pretty rare though it's pretty 3345 02:30:49,729 --> 02:30:46,890 rare yeah you don't really hear too much 3346 02:30:53,869 --> 02:30:49,739 about well then this the Mitchell Act 3347 02:30:55,040 --> 02:30:53,879 case in Canada was a case with it now it 3348 02:30:58,400 --> 02:30:55,050 appeared to be some 3349 02:31:01,060 --> 02:30:58,410 some residual radiation effects any the 3350 02:31:04,091 --> 02:31:01,070 the French case of dr. axe that valet 3351 02:31:06,711 --> 02:31:04,101 talked about had some interesting 3352 02:31:09,790 --> 02:31:06,721 physical effects from a close proximity 3353 02:31:12,080 --> 02:31:09,800 encounter and there have been others but 3354 02:31:13,820 --> 02:31:12,090 for the most part you know they're kind 3355 02:31:17,150 --> 02:31:13,830 and cuddly and they don't want to do us 3356 02:31:18,740 --> 02:31:17,160 harm I just wish they'd asked to be 3357 02:31:22,030 --> 02:31:18,750 taken to our leader and maybe read him 3358 02:31:24,921 --> 02:31:22,040 the riot act or something uh or maybe uh 3359 02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:24,931 get taken to the head of the the Joint 3360 02:31:29,450 --> 02:31:27,120 Chiefs and I read them the riot act and 3361 02:31:31,400 --> 02:31:29,460 I think that's I think there have been 3362 02:31:34,280 --> 02:31:31,410 meetings I mean for the Joint Chiefs and 3363 02:31:36,830 --> 02:31:34,290 and others in the military it's 3364 02:31:38,750 --> 02:31:36,840 essentially a military problem this 3365 02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:38,760 leads us to the biggest question of all 3366 02:31:44,511 --> 02:31:41,610 which is all right we have your books 3367 02:31:48,461 --> 02:31:44,521 your theories about possible really 3368 02:31:52,040 --> 02:31:48,471 really hostile aliens and doing us harm 3369 02:31:54,261 --> 02:31:52,050 how we end up proving any of this 3370 02:31:55,790 --> 02:31:54,271 because we can all write books and you 3371 02:31:58,131 --> 02:31:55,800 just happen to do it better than a lot 3372 02:32:00,921 --> 02:31:58,141 of people and you can accumulate a lot 3373 02:32:02,421 --> 02:32:00,931 of stories but how do we prove this is 3374 02:32:05,961 --> 02:32:02,431 so because this has got to be the most 3375 02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:05,971 important information of the ages that 3376 02:32:10,640 --> 02:32:08,010 human civilization is gonna change 3377 02:32:14,030 --> 02:32:10,650 big-time unless we do something right 3378 02:32:15,921 --> 02:32:14,040 away well sure I mean unless we get some 3379 02:32:17,930 --> 02:32:15,931 sort of major announcement that it's all 3380 02:32:20,570 --> 02:32:17,940 real I don't know but as far the 3381 02:32:23,480 --> 02:32:20,580 individuals were concerned most people 3382 02:32:26,570 --> 02:32:23,490 do not have the chance to have a close 3383 02:32:30,801 --> 02:32:26,580 encounter of the Third Kind or whatever 3384 02:32:32,421 --> 02:32:30,811 Fourth Kind or whatever so I don't know 3385 02:32:35,570 --> 02:32:32,431 I didn't really have an answer to that 3386 02:32:38,921 --> 02:32:35,580 question welke is here of course that I 3387 02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:38,931 know then when this show is broadcast a 3388 02:32:42,801 --> 02:32:41,130 number of our listeners gonna say well 3389 02:32:45,381 --> 02:32:42,811 this guy's just telling a lot of really 3390 02:32:47,961 --> 02:32:45,391 fanciful stories and that's fine that's 3391 02:32:49,761 --> 02:32:47,971 dandy but he can't prove any of it so 3392 02:32:52,040 --> 02:32:49,771 how do we prove it it's gotta be 3393 02:32:53,930 --> 02:32:52,050 important to prove because we've been 3394 02:32:56,690 --> 02:32:53,940 playing around in this UFO game for many 3395 02:33:00,110 --> 02:32:56,700 years you and I Chris a few less years 3396 02:33:01,700 --> 02:33:00,120 when that that many less and a lot of us 3397 02:33:04,011 --> 02:33:01,710 aren't as young as we used to be is this 3398 02:33:07,850 --> 02:33:04,021 going to be solved in our lifetimes or 3399 02:33:08,840 --> 02:33:07,860 what I don't know I I would think it's 3400 02:33:10,429 --> 02:33:08,850 already been sold 3401 02:33:13,219 --> 02:33:10,439 as far as the military's concerned 3402 02:33:15,080 --> 02:33:13,229 because they have had communications and 3403 02:33:17,450 --> 02:33:15,090 they've replicated the technology and 3404 02:33:20,320 --> 02:33:17,460 the technology has been given to us a 3405 02:33:22,519 --> 02:33:20,330 lot of our guys are flying these things 3406 02:33:26,960 --> 02:33:22,529 but we're not going to other star 3407 02:33:29,320 --> 02:33:26,970 systems are we I don't know I honestly 3408 02:33:36,740 --> 02:33:29,330 haven't the faintest idea 3409 02:33:39,139 --> 02:33:36,750 no sir Bo we got to get the Ken Caston 3410 02:33:43,359 --> 02:33:39,149 on the line casting on the show talk 3411 02:33:47,090 --> 02:33:43,369 about sir PO you know ya gotta be good 3412 02:33:50,570 --> 02:33:47,100 I'm fascinated by some of the statements 3413 02:33:55,460 --> 02:33:50,580 that have been made over the years you 3414 02:34:02,750 --> 02:33:55,470 know for example been rich this is what 3415 02:34:04,760 --> 02:34:02,760 he said in 1993 1993 this was at during 3416 02:34:06,830 --> 02:34:04,770 a presentation to the engineering Alumni 3417 02:34:10,160 --> 02:34:06,840 Association at University of California 3418 02:34:13,399 --> 02:34:10,170 in LA of which Ben which was an alumnus 3419 02:34:16,519 --> 02:34:13,409 back in March of 1993 this is what he 3420 02:34:19,519 --> 02:34:16,529 said and it's on record we already have 3421 02:34:21,349 --> 02:34:19,529 the means to travel among the stars but 3422 02:34:23,149 --> 02:34:21,359 these technologies are locked up in 3423 02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:23,159 black projects and it would take an act 3424 02:34:29,420 --> 02:34:25,680 of God to ever get them out to benefit 3425 02:34:33,889 --> 02:34:29,430 humanity anything you can imagine we 3426 02:34:36,019 --> 02:34:33,899 already know how to do yeah we had gen 3427 02:34:37,969 --> 02:34:36,029 horizon-- on the show a number of months 3428 02:34:43,219 --> 02:34:37,979 back who was actually at that meeting 3429 02:34:45,050 --> 02:34:43,229 yeah yeah yup Jan was there and he 3430 02:34:50,830 --> 02:34:45,060 chased him down afterwards and tried to 3431 02:34:53,389 --> 02:34:50,840 get more of him help I found that a very 3432 02:34:55,130 --> 02:34:53,399 very interesting scenario of course some 3433 02:34:58,389 --> 02:34:55,140 people say that he was actually joking 3434 02:35:01,040 --> 02:34:58,399 10 20 you know use some deadpan humor 3435 02:35:04,210 --> 02:35:01,050 but that's no but and thought he 3436 02:35:06,620 --> 02:35:04,220 uh he thought that he was being serious 3437 02:35:07,790 --> 02:35:06,630 occasionally you get some leaks you know 3438 02:35:10,880 --> 02:35:07,800 people talk about why doesn't the 3439 02:35:15,920 --> 02:35:10,890 president say something well just over a 3440 02:35:18,219 --> 02:35:15,930 year ago in Moscow there was a 3441 02:35:20,929 --> 02:35:18,229 television interview given by Dmitry 3442 02:35:22,519 --> 02:35:20,939 Medvedev he was former president but 3443 02:35:24,289 --> 02:35:22,529 he's Prime Minister now 3444 02:35:26,630 --> 02:35:24,299 president explore positions you know 3445 02:35:29,510 --> 02:35:26,640 Putin was prime minister at one stage 3446 02:35:30,739 --> 02:35:29,520 now his president but this was this was 3447 02:35:33,409 --> 02:35:30,749 following a television interview 3448 02:35:35,929 --> 02:35:33,419 December the 7th 2012 a journalist 3449 02:35:39,019 --> 02:35:35,939 interviewed Medvedev supposedly off the 3450 02:35:41,000 --> 02:35:39,029 air at one point the Prime Minister was 3451 02:35:43,369 --> 02:35:41,010 asked if the President had been handed 3452 02:35:44,750 --> 02:35:43,379 secret files on aliens when receiving 3453 02:35:48,260 --> 02:35:44,760 the briefcase needed to activate 3454 02:35:50,510 --> 02:35:48,270 Russia's nuclear arsenal along with the 3455 02:35:52,880 --> 02:35:50,520 briefcase with nuclear codes responded 3456 02:35:54,949 --> 02:35:52,890 Medvedev the president is given a 3457 02:35:56,960 --> 02:35:54,959 special top secret folder which in its 3458 02:35:59,809 --> 02:35:56,970 entirety contains information about 3459 02:36:01,579 --> 02:35:59,819 aliens who have visited our planet and a 3460 02:36:04,279 --> 02:36:01,589 report of the absolutely secret special 3461 02:36:06,739 --> 02:36:04,289 service that exercises control over 3462 02:36:08,929 --> 02:36:06,749 aliens on the territory of our country I 3463 02:36:11,989 --> 02:36:08,939 will not tell you how many of them are 3464 02:36:14,239 --> 02:36:11,999 among us because it may cause panic and 3465 02:36:16,519 --> 02:36:14,249 that was I'm not saying it was official 3466 02:36:20,750 --> 02:36:16,529 I don't think he thought it was being 3467 02:36:22,699 --> 02:36:20,760 recorded some reports stated that he was 3468 02:36:24,469 --> 02:36:22,709 laughing at as he said this but he 3469 02:36:26,569 --> 02:36:24,479 wasn't because I've got the video and he 3470 02:36:28,340 --> 02:36:26,579 was absolutely dead serious when he when 3471 02:36:29,989 --> 02:36:28,350 he revealed that information to the 3472 02:36:32,269 --> 02:36:29,999 journalists who had a presumably a 3473 02:36:33,920 --> 02:36:32,279 concealed micro friend all right I was 3474 02:36:35,479 --> 02:36:33,930 always under the impression that that he 3475 02:36:36,859 --> 02:36:35,489 was just joking around about that 3476 02:36:39,409 --> 02:36:36,869 because didn't he come back out and say 3477 02:36:42,889 --> 02:36:39,419 something similar a short time later 3478 02:36:46,539 --> 02:36:42,899 after the story broke I'm not aware of 3479 02:36:49,489 --> 02:36:46,549 that it's quite possible he did that 3480 02:36:51,590 --> 02:36:49,499 that that you know I've got the video of 3481 02:36:53,689 --> 02:36:51,600 that at least I did have to 3482 02:36:58,039 --> 02:36:53,699 unfortunately my computer crashed about 3483 02:36:59,960 --> 02:36:58,049 a month or so and I think I'll get it 3484 02:37:01,760 --> 02:36:59,970 back but I don't know what's going to be 3485 02:37:03,760 --> 02:37:01,770 lost on it you know a lot of stuff I 3486 02:37:07,069 --> 02:37:03,770 expect well if you live down the street 3487 02:37:09,260 --> 02:37:07,079 I'd help you I had a friend who lives in 3488 02:37:09,800 --> 02:37:09,270 your country Hugh Mike all right there 3489 02:37:12,109 --> 02:37:09,810 you go 3490 02:37:14,479 --> 02:37:12,119 I don't know hey please tell our 3491 02:37:17,659 --> 02:37:14,489 listeners where they can find more of 3492 02:37:20,689 --> 02:37:17,669 what you do well I would say the best 3493 02:37:23,679 --> 02:37:20,699 bet if you go to my website which is 3494 02:37:31,969 --> 02:37:28,519 that's about Co UK and you can contact 3495 02:37:34,969 --> 02:37:31,979 me at info at Timothy good Co UK that's 3496 02:37:36,680 --> 02:37:34,979 all that's all lowercase and for books 3497 02:37:40,881 --> 02:37:36,690 the best bet is 3498 02:37:44,301 --> 02:37:40,891 is always Amazon my latest book is was 3499 02:37:47,030 --> 02:37:44,311 published in New York in October this 3500 02:37:49,070 --> 02:37:47,040 year but it's it's not available over in 3501 02:37:52,400 --> 02:37:49,080 the United Kingdom but it is obviously 3502 02:37:55,970 --> 02:37:52,410 available to all and sundry via Amazon 3503 02:37:58,341 --> 02:37:55,980 Amazon UK and and Anna's on us of course 3504 02:38:01,341 --> 02:37:58,351 Chris O'Brien's books talking the herd a 3505 02:38:02,841 --> 02:38:01,351 big thick book about Katherine 3506 02:38:04,761 --> 02:38:02,851 mutilations setting the record straight 3507 02:38:07,371 --> 02:38:04,771 it's going to be out very soon now 3508 02:38:09,140 --> 02:38:07,381 you also heard is that oh yeah well I'll 3509 02:38:11,360 --> 02:38:09,150 make sure Chris gets you an autographed 3510 02:38:11,961 --> 02:38:11,370 copy ok we're going to be fantastic 3511 02:38:14,030 --> 02:38:11,971 thank you 3512 02:38:18,740 --> 02:38:14,040 ok you see I'm making decisions for 3513 02:38:20,810 --> 02:38:18,750 Chris so yeah question me like see my 3514 02:38:23,180 --> 02:38:20,820 handler here ok speaking of being 3515 02:38:24,921 --> 02:38:23,190 handled you can handle us over at 3516 02:38:28,430 --> 02:38:24,931 Twitter where we're known as the power 3517 02:38:31,970 --> 02:38:28,440 cast visit our site the power cast comm 3518 02:38:34,841 --> 02:38:31,980 check our forums forum dot ^ cast calm 3519 02:38:37,461 --> 02:38:34,851 or look at the power cast fan club on 3520 02:38:38,690 --> 02:38:37,471 Facebook in fact they're two of them 3521 02:38:41,751 --> 02:38:38,700 they're maybe we'll make them one 3522 02:38:44,001 --> 02:38:41,761 someday if we figure out how Tim good 3523 02:38:51,810 --> 02:38:44,011 thanks for joining us this week on the 3524 02:38:51,820 --> 02:38:55,051 [Music] 3525 02:39:01,230 --> 02:38:58,350 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3526 02:39:04,220 --> 02:39:01,240 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3527 02:39:07,950 --> 02:39:04,230 presentation of making the impossible